Re: Jewish name for Isabelle? #general

Stan Goodman <SPAM_FOILER@...>

On Tue, 11 May 2004 00:55:05 UTC, (chaikin) opined:

Dear all.

I received few replies to my recent posting, and would like to add:

A. Jezebel / Izevel, who was of Phoenician origin, had fought against the
Judeans who believed in god, and tried to convince them to worship Baal and
Ashera (Canaanite gods).
Isabelle, the Spanish queen, was one of the causes for the troubles of the
Jewish people of Spain.
There was a gap of about 2300 years between these two nasty characters, and
nothing seems to have changed :-))

B. Elisheva, which is the Hebrew name for Elisabeth, was the mother of
Achab, and wife of King Solomon.
I don't see any connection between Elisabeth and Isabelle, rather than a
Freudian mistake, made by a rabbi, whose mistake became fact :-))

Best regards,
Udi Cain, Israel
After breathing deeply several times, I am moved to make the following

It is not always easy to see how names (or indeed words) change in moving
from one language to another. Specifically, the evolution of "Elisheva" to
"Isabel" is not obvious to an English- or Hebrew-speaker, though it may be
more so to a speaker of Spanish. One possibility is that the name passed
through a stage in which a small child, trying her best to get her tongue
around her four-syllable name, managed a simpler three-syllable version that
stuck with her through life. It may be worthwhile to note that, you can get
from "Elisheva" to "Isabel" by moving the "L" >from the first syllable to the
last (as a small child might do), and remembering that "B" and "V" phonemes
are indistinguishable in many of the languages of the Mediterranean basin
(Spanish, Greek, Hebrew).

The bottom line is that there is no connection whatever between "Isabel" and
"Jezebel", either linguistically or historically.

Stan Goodman, Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel

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