Ship Records, Help Finding? #general


Bridget Wynne <rabbiwynne@...>
 

Hello:

I've been looking for the records of my great-grandparents' immigration to the
U.S. >from Eastern Europe. With the help of some wonderful JewishGen-ners who
responded to my recent post, I've found their census records, which give a range
of dates for their immigration.

My great-grandparents lived in Chicago. I know they were both in the U.S. by 1887
since their marriage license is >from Chicago in Sep 1887.

I don't know whether or not my ggf and ggm knew each other before they came to the
U.S. I haven't found any passenger records that seem like they might be for my
ggm.

I have found a couple records that might be for my ggf, but I don't know how to
tell if those with what look like reasonable names and dates are him or not, and I
want to see if anyone has any advice. With other family members whose passenger
records I've found there have been other clues to go by.

Below is what I've found so far about my ggf Leon FRANK and my ggm Rachel
CHIRLESON.

Leon/Leopold FRANK
Dates of birth: Illinois death certificate gives 10 May 1867; 1900 census gives
Apr 1860; 1910 census implies 1868; 1920 census implies 1865.
Dates of immigration: 1900 census gives 1862; 1910 census gives 1881; 1920 census
gives 1882.
Original nationalities: 1900 census gives Russia; 1910 census gives Austria; 1920
census gives Austria.
Naturalization: 1900 and 1910 censuses say "yes," give no date; 1920 census says
naturalized in 1890.

Rachel/Ray CHIRLESON (maiden name is >from marriage license and Illinois death
certificate)
Dates of birth: Illinois death certificate gives 15 Sept 1868; 1900 census gives
Jan 1868; 1910 census implies 1869; 1920 census implies 1869.
Place of birth: Family history says Lida, Poland; Illinois death certificate says
Nevel, Russia.
Dates of immigration: 1900 census gives 1885; 1910 census gives 1884; 1920 census
gives 1884.
Original nationalities: 1900 census gives Russia; 1910 census gives Austria; 1920
census gives Austria.
Naturalization: 1900 and 1910 censuses leave that space blank; 1920 census says
naturalized in 1890 (presumably when her husband was.

Using an on-line genealogy service, and the Ellis Island website, here are the
ship records I've found that I believe might be for Leon:

Name: Leon Franck Arrival Date: 26 Feb 1885 Estimated Birth Year: 1865 Age: 20
Gender: Male Status: Alien Port of Departure: Le Havre, France
Calling: trader?? [I can't read this] Destination: New York Place of Origin:
Russia Ship Name: St. Germain Port of Arrival: New York Line: 33
Microfilm Roll: 483 List Number: 208

Name: Leon Franks?? [I can't make out the last name) Arrival Date: 12 Sep 1882
Estimated Birth Year: 1859 Age: 23 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Hamburg,
Germany and Le Havre, France Calling: Dealer Destination: United States of
America Place of Origin: Russia Ship Name: Westphalia Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 55 Microfilm Roll: 457 List Number: 1304

Any suggestions as to how to tell if either of these is correct?

Any suggestions of other places and/or ways to look for ship records for him or
for her?

Thanks!
Bridget Wynne
Albany, CA (San Francisco Bay Area), USA
RabbiWynne@earthlink.net

Researching:
BORTNIK Russia or Ukraine to Argentina CHRILISON Nevel, Russia to Chicago
FRANK Russia to Chicago JAMESON Nevel, Russia LONDON Vilna to London to New
York LUBIN/LUBEN New York LUBLINSKI/LUBLINSKY Talnoye, Ukraine to New York,
Philadelphia & Argentina POLOKOFF/POLIAKFF Talnoye, Ukraine to Philadelphia
& New York PLATT Vasilishki, Belarus to New York SOPKIN Talnoye,

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