Re: Viennese Hiking Song #austria-czech

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>

I hadn't overlooked that point - also the use of "kartoffel" for potatoes,
which is not Viennese useage. So,as Celia points out, the
song probably isn't "Viennese " or even of Austrian origin
(although my Parents were). And it certainly isn't a "Jewish" song

Shabbat shalom

Robert W Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: Celia Male [mailto:celiamale@...]
Sent: Friday, 18 February 2005 9:13 PM
To: austriaczech@...
Cc: robert fraser
Subject: Re: [austriaczech] Viennese Hiking Song

Robert Fraser >from Australia asks about a Viennese
hiking song: "hunger hunger, hunger, hunger -----
Marmelade ---- Schnitzel, Blumenkohlsalat und warme
Wuerstchen, Bratkartoffel, hunger hunger, hunger,

The main point I would like to make is linguistic.
Linguistic matters are often important genealogical
clues and should never be ignored in our SIG.
This cannot be a Vienesse hiking song as no
self-respecting Viennese would use the Hochdeutsch
word Blumenkohl [cauliflower].

The Viennese word is Karfiol - derived >from the
Italian "Cavalfiore". Karfiolsuppe is one of my
favourites. I had never heard the word Blumenkohl till
I met some "real" Germans.

There were many French and Italian words used in
Viennese German. So we have a genealogical clue here:
Perhaps Robert's family were not >from Vienna, or
alternatively, they hiked with German friends who sang
the song?

Celia Male [UK]

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