Re: Could a Rabbi be a liquor seller, too? #galicia

Todd Edelman <edelman@...>

My gg-grandfather Armin Herman Leopold Tzvi Arye HaCohen EDELMAN z"l
1845-1909 was an innkeeper in Hrabkov, Saros meyge, Magyar Kiralysag
(Kosicky Kraj, Slovenska Republika)

**But** on his matzeva it says "Here lies an enterprising man certified in
the Talmud, one of the sacred Jewish sages. An offspring of holy
Cohanim, Torah teachers, Our teacher and rabbi Rabbi Tzvi Arye HaCohen
Son of the righteous rabbi who served in the rabbinate Our teacher and
rabbi Avraham Aaron HaCohen May the memory of the righteous be of a
blessing Edelman Closed his day, a flower was plucked while still in its
prime Was taken to the sorrow of his wife Died with a good name on 28
Tishri in the year 5670 May his soul be bound in the bond of everlasting
life. Was righteous and honest, his heart was with his Creator Many
followed his light and his righteous ways Toiled and found his destiny
in the Torah, worshiped God with purity Raised his sons on the heels of
his ancestors They recognized his discipline and acquired his qualities
He will be a good advocate for his wife, sons and daughters The Cohen
will be illuminated by light to the end of days with worthiness May his
soul be bound in the bond of everlasting life."

Innkeeper in Hungarian is "kocsmaros"... barkeeper is... you guessed it,
also kocsmaros...

Here's his Geni Profile
*original url:

Todd Tuvia ben Avraham Aharon HaCohen v'Sima Rivka Edelman
Davis, California

EDELMAN in Iglo/Spisska Nova Ves, Palocsa/Plavec, Hrabkov/Hrapko, Kosice/Kassa,
Olublo/Stara Lubovna, Olaszliszka, Bodrogkeresztur, Tokaj, Dubine, Hanusovce nad
Toplou, Sandal.
PETERFREUND in Szepeskortvelyes/Spisske Hrusov
WEISBERGER in Kurima, Giralt/Giraltovce, Herhely/Harhaj, Porubka (the one near
Kurima), Mala Polana, Mikova, Medzilaborce, Cleveland, Akron, Barberton.

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On 04/17/2017 05:12 AM, Thomas Klein wrote:
The short answer is probably yes.

The longer answer is that not everyone who is inscribed as "moreinu harav"
would fit our definition of "Rabbi". On many gravestones, it is simply a
matter of showing respect for the deceased, and sometimes, it means that
the man studied at yeshiva, but not necessarily that he was a pulpit Rabbi
with a congregation.

In addition, the idea that being a Rabbi was a full-time occupation and a
steady income, is a relatively modern one - many famous rabbis had other
jobs, or wealthy fathers-in-law, for income. Selling liquor was a fairly
common Jewish occupation, so it's not unlikely, and he may also have been
involved in producing or selling kosher liquor, which requires a Rabbi's

tom klein, toronto

Russ Maurer <> wrote:
On the tomb of a woman who died in Jodlowa (Galicia) in 1902, her father was
denoted a Rabbi with the abbreviation mem-vav-hay (morenu ha-rav; "our teacher,
the Rabbi"). But in the contemporaneous civil death record, there was no
mention of her father being a Rabbi. Rather, his occupation was given as
"propinator", one licensed to dispense liquor, i.e., a tap-room operator. I
find this involvment in the liquor business surprising, but maybe I shouldn't;
Rabbis had to put bread on the table, too, and maybe this was a way to support
himself. Has anyone else come across examples of Rabbis with side employment,
and more specifically in the liquor business?

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