Name change in 1866 - THIER #lithuania

bette_sscf <bette_sscf@...>

Dr. Alexander Beider's "A Dictionary of Jewish Surnames >from the
Russian Empire, Revised Edition" (DJSRE2) published by Avotaynu
contains etymology/origin of
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The Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex Code for THIER IS 390000 and the
Beider-Morse Phonetic Tokens are TIR TIIR TJER.

Beider's DJSRE2 Volume 2 "Listing of Surnames by the Daitch-Mokotoff
Soundex System" lists code 390000 surnames DAR, DER, DOR, DREJ, DRUE,

Upyna (15 miles NNE of Taurage) and Tytuvenai (16 miles NNE of
Raseiniai), Lithuania were both in Rossieny (Raseiniai) district,
Kovno, Russian Empire before WWI.

LitvakSIG's All Lithuania Database (ALD) search results for "sounds
like" THEIR lists 390 matches.
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Records for Upyna, Tytuvenai and Taurage are included in LitvakSIG's
Raseiniai District Research Group.
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JewishGen Family Finder lists 10 researchers for "sounds like" THIER in
Lithuania including surnames TYRE, DREY, TOOR, THIER in Upyna, Taurage,
Kaunas and Skapiskis.

Skapiskis was Skopishki in Novo-Aleksandrovsk district, Kovno and is
located 88.7 miles ENE of Raseiniai.
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Bette Stoop Mas

Naomi Silverton <naomisil@...> wrote:
<< I am trying to find our original Family Name, and thus their family,
but so far have not been able to see anything resembling this.
My great grandfather, known to our family as Hermann Tzvi Silberstein
was born in 1839 in Taurage, Kowno Gubernia, Russian Empire. We have
been told by my father and uncle that the name was THIER (animal in
German). He married Johanna Deborah Rollnik in Upyna and had two boys
- Moritz in 1863 and Wilhelm in 1865 both born in Upyna. (I have
documents stating this). Hermann and Johanna THIER Silberstein left
Upyna with their 2 sons, in about 1866, and crossed the border into
Germany and settled in Nakel Germany, now Naklo Poland where their 3
other children were born.

The story goes that when crossing the border they took on the papers of
someone by the name of SILBERSTEIN - the reason varies with different
relatives. We have found all the Rollnik relatives and we know all
the Silberstein descendants.
We don't know anything about Hermann Tzvi Silberstein's siblings or
aunts or uncles. Hermann died in 1912 in Berlin ( he was 73 years)
and on the death certificate it is stated that his parents Juda and
Chaja Silberstein lived in Zitowian (Tytuvenai) before their deaths.
We have not been able to find any name pertaining to THIER in the
records. When I have researched the name THIER people with this name
have their origin in Austria and Hungary. THIER may have been a
Yiddish name, as I don't think 'H' is in the Russian alphabet.

I am wondering if anyone could help in directing me where to look.
What could THIER be transcribed to in the Census of that time? >>

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