MaHaRaM - R'Meir of Rothenberg once again #rabbinic


Tom Brondsted <tb@...>
 

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Dear Ravsiggers.

The 5th Jun 2001 I posted a message in Ravsig "Re: MaHaRaM -- Rabbi
Meir of Rothenberg " with a translation of a letter written to my
grand-uncle Max Rothenborg in 1930. The author claims that Moses
Ber Rothenburg of Hamburg/Altona (ca 1665-1712) is a descendent of
the famous MaHaRaM Rothenburg. Now, with the help of a grandchild
of the acknowledged Danish genealogist Josef Fischer, Allan Falk in
Copenhagen, I have identified the author: it *is* Josef Fischer, see

http://www.jewishgen.org/Denmark/joseffischer.htm

I think this additional information is important. At least to me,
this indicates that the theory has substance. Among the oldest
Ravsig-subscribers there may be some who escaped the nazis through
Denmark in the 1930s. They have probably met both J. Fischer and
M. Rothenborg.

I once again add the translation - with some minor corrections,
translations also of the German quotations etc. I still welcome
comments, additional information, etc.

Best regards

Tom Brondsted
Aalborg, Denmark

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Charlottenlund, Aug 3rd 1930

Dear Mr. Lawyer Max Rothenborg,
Skindergade 38

As I promised to examine literature to find a possible connection
between your till now oldest known ancestor, Rabbi in Hamburg Moses
Rothenburg, and the most known among the Rothenburgs, Rabbi Meier
ben Baruch R., "Maharam Rothenburg" who died 1293 in Ensisheim and
was buried 1307 in Worms after having been under arrest by order of
the Emperor Rudolf since 1286, I had absolutely no basis for this
loose thought. It was just the kind of impulse that can cross one's
mind. Now, the strange thing has happened, the connection is found.

The travelling literary scholar M. Pinner has written transcripts
of a wide range of books and manuscripts found in the libraries and
has 1861 published a fragmentary, not completed work [in German]
"Grabschriften der berühmtesten Männer und Rabbiner in Europa und
im heiligen Lande, nebst Catalog von 389 hebr. Drücken und
Handschriften" ["Epitaphs of the most famous men and rabbis in
Europe and the holy land"]. On page 162 f., he reports some grave
inscriptions >from Worms, among others that of Rabbi Maharam
Rothenburg and his father, Rabbi Baruch, dead 1281. He adds: "Über
die Nachkommen dieses R. Meier is sehr wenig Zuverlässiges bekannt.
In folgendem handschriftlichem Werke sind hierüber einige
Aufschlüsse enthalten" ["Not much trustworthy is known of the
descendants of this R. Meier. In the following handwriting there
are some pieces of information"]. He describes a Hebrew manuscript
on parchment in the library in Strassburg which on page 614 has
some personal notes on the owner of the book: "This book have I
Ejakim, son of Abraham, ... received in the year 1548 by my father
R. Abraham. My father was son of Rabbi Mordechaj, son of Rabbi
Meier, son of Rabbi Getschlik, son of Rabbi Süsskind, son of Rabbi
Meier, son of Rabbi Baruch. The latter was son of Rabbi Meier from
Rothenburg". Later has been added: "This Ejakim was chief Rabbi and
died 1570". Also, on the same page, the children of Rabbi Ejakim
are listed: ... 3. Mordechaj, called Süsskind, born 3. Ab 1559.

This Mordechaj Süsskind had according to Levy Lörenstein [or
Löwenstein?], Blätter für Jüdische Geschichte und Literatur I
[Periodical of Jewish History and Literature I], p. 43, n.[note?]
19 a son Moses, mentioned some place in 1621.

Hamburger Rabbi Moses Rothenborg was son of Mordechaj Süsskind,
Rabbi in Witzenhausen, Grodno, Posen, Lublin, dead after 1714. He
signs himself: Mordechaj Süsskind, son of the honourable Moses.
This Moses is without doubt identical with Moses mentioned
previously, son of Mordechaj Süsskind who was born 1559.

The following may also interest you: In a responsum Nb 68 in
"Chinuch Beth Jehuda" Amsterdam 1708 [17?8], a son's son of Ejakim,
the owner of the book, Country Rabbi in Schwaben signs himself
"Ejakim Getschlik Rothenburg, in 10th generation after Maharam
Rothenburg".

I must as explanation add that the name Süsskind is a call-name for
Mordechaj as is Getschlik (Gotschalck) for Ejakim.

Best regards

Yours faithfully
Josef Fischer

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Charlottenlund, 3.8. 1930.

Hr Overretssagfører Max Rothenborg, Skindergade 38

Da jeg lovede Dem at granske Literaturen for muligvis at finde
Forbindelsen mellem Deres hidtil kendte Stamfader, Rabbiner i
Hamburg. Moses Rothenborg, og den mest kendte blandt
Rothenburgerne, Rabbiner Meier ben Baruch R., "Maharam Rothenburg",
som døde 1293 i Ensisheim og blev begravet 1307 i Worms, efter at
have siddet arresteret paa Befaling af Kejser Rudolf siden 1286,
havde jeg absolut intet Holdepunkt for denne henkastede Tanke. Det
var blot en saadan Indskydelse, som kan fare gennem Hovedet. Nu er
det mærkelige sket, at Forbindelsen er fundet.

Den rejsende Literat M. Pinner har taget Afskrifter af alle mulige
Bøger og Manuskripter rundt omkring i Bibliotekerne og har 1861
udgivet et Brudstykke, ikke fuldent værk under. "Grabschriften der
berühmtesten Männer und Rabbiner in Europa und im heiligen Lande,
nebst Catalog von 389 hebr. Drücken und Handschriften". På side 162
f. gengiver han nogle gravstensindskrifter fra Worms, bl.a. af
Rabbiner Maharam Rothenburg og hans Fader, Rabbiner Baruch, død
1281. Han tilføjer: "Ueber die Nachkommen dieses R. Meier is sehr
wenig Zuverlässiges bekannt. In folgendem handschiftlichem Werke
sind hierüber einige Aufschlüsse enthalten". Han beskriver et
hebræisk Manuskript paa Pergament i Stadtbibliothek i Strassburg,
som på Side 614 har nogle personlige Bemærkninger af Bogens Ejer:
"Denne Bog har jeg Ejakim, Søn af Abraham, faaet ... i Aaret 1548
af min Fader R. Abraham. Min fader var Søn af Rabbiner Mordechaj,
Søn af Rabbiner Meier, Søn af Rabbiner Getschlik, Søn af Rabbiner
Süsskind, Søn af Rabbiner Meier, Søn af Rabbiner Baruch. Dene
sidste var Søn af Rabbiner Meier fra Rothenburg". En senere
Tilføjelse paa samme Side: "Denne Ejakim var Overrrabbiner og døde
1570". Ligeledes paa samme Side findes opnoteret Rabb. Ejakims
Børn: ... 3. Mordechaj, kaldt Süsskind, født 3. Ab 1559.

Denne Mordechaj Süsskind havde iflg. Levy Lörenstein [Löwenstein?],
Blätter für Jüdische Geschichte und Literatur I, p. 43, n. [note?]
19 en Søn med Navn Moses, som omtales et Sted i Aaret 1621.

Hamburger Rabbiner Moses Rothenborg var Søn af Mordechaj Süsskind,
Rabbiner i Witzenhausen, Grodno [nu i Litauen], Posen [=Poznan i
Polen], Lublin [i Polen], død efter 1714. Han underskriver:
Mordechaj Süsskind, Søn af den højtærede Moses. Denne Moses er uden
Tvivl identisk med den førnævnte Moses, Søn af Mordechaj Süsskind,
der var født 1559.

Følgende kan også have Interesse. I et Responsum No 68 anført i
"Chinuch Beth Jehuda" Amsterdam 1708 [17?8], underskriver den
førnævnte Bogejers (Ejakim) Sønnesøn, Landrabbiner i Schwaben
"Ejakim Getschlik Rothenburg, i 10. Generation efter Maharam
Rothenburg".

Jeg må til Forklaring tilføje, at Navnet Süsskind er Kaldenavn for
Mordechaj, ligesom navnet Getschlik (Gotschalck) for Ejakim.

med venlig hilsen

Deres ærbødige
Josef Fischer

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