University in Podolya #ukraine

CLAUSSEN DAN and DIANE <didado@...>

I don't know what the University would be there. However, I recently
learned through getting the very sparce records of my grandfather's college
degree >from Valparaiso University in 1914, that he must have gone to college
in the Ukraine and studied mathematics and engineering. He graduated with a
full bachelors degree in engineering that was supposed to take 3 full years
in just 18 mos. about half of the time. The archivist seemed to be
fascinated with the remarkable achievements and excellent grades in very
advanced courses in calculous and civil and chemical engineering. He worked
for US Steel after that time until the 1930's. Apparently he must have had
prior studies in the Ukraine in order to get approval to skip some courses
and take the more advanced ones.

He must have been studying advance courses at a young age though and somehow
was also studying Hebrew and politics. On an audio taped interview made in
1980, his youngest brother, Uncle Eddie, then 82 yrs. old, some time after
my grandfather died, stated that my grandfather, Peisach or Peter Isaac
Kriegman, went away >from their village Rogachev, where the rest of the
family was engaged originally in tanning and later owned a grist mill. At a
relative young age, maybe fourteen or younger he went away >from the family
of 9 and studied in Kiev. He was referred to as "the student". The name of
a University or other educational institution where Jews were welcomed to
study, I do not know. But of course, I would be very interested.

My Grandfather, taught Hebrew as a teenager after studying (in Kiev, I
presume.) Perhaps this was some kind of itinerant mission that young men
were sent on >from some Yeshiva in Kiev to other Ukraine Jewish communities.
I wonder about that because my grandmother met him first in Ukraine and many
years later again, in the US. He was hired by her father to teach her and
her siblings Hebrew when she was a girl, 7 years younger than he, in a
village near Berdichev, Chernorudska. Another element to this family
history is that he became involved in the first Bolshevik movement and
helped print literature to spread information about the political movement.
He learned to speak Russian well according to his brother, though the rest
of the family in Rogachev spoke "very little Russian" and "mostly Yiddish".
His brother, Uncle Eddie, volunteered in the interview that when he studied
in Kiev, he became "very interested in alot of politics" and that around
Kiev "was where most of the revolutionaries came from." His involvement
with the revolutionaries was somehow interceded by being inducted into the
Russian Army. This was the main impetus for the family to leave Ukraine.
As Eddie put it, after Peter was taken into the army they knew the second
brother, "Morris would be next" and then the two other brothers. He said
sometimes boys would be inscribed at a young age and never was allowed out,
put in the position to be killed, live a horrible life and never be able to
do anything with their lives. The family helped my grandfather, Peter,
desert >from the army, helped get him out of the country first and then the

Another part of this story is that ggrandfather, Abraham, his brother and
cousins were known as strong men that were respected by and friendly with
the Mayor and the governor of Volynia Gubernia. His father had a friendship
with the "governor of Volynia." Abraham had to stop the second generation
tanning business because it was "very hard work" and caused terrible
"arthritis". Somehow he had "a little land"on which they used to grow
potatoes and other vegetables on which to survive. They built on this land
a grist mill and somehow had "a little money, not much" to buy some
machinery >from Germany to build a factory. They worked out a barter system
with the local peasants who grew the wheat. According to Eddie, the
governor of Volynia Gubernia, offered to help keep Morris out of the army
and urged the family not to leave. But they didn't trust this would happen,
and by 1910 the whole family of parents and 7 children left. The way the
last 5 members funded their passage >from the Ukraine to US through Belgium
was by selling the Mill to the Governor of Volynia.

I just learned this remarkable story about the family and the governor and
heard this remarkable interview on tape for the first time, about a month
ago, through developing relationships over the internet with family members
I have never actually met, but knew of. Our families had not communicated
for over 50 years! We found each other through Jewishgen's Family Finder.
By the way, this is only one instance of many incredible, wonderful,
life-affirming experiences made possible by Jewishgen in my research over
the last 4 years.

I guess this underscores why I and many of you should make a pledge and
contribution of whatever we can to support Jewishgen.

Diane Kriegman Claussen
Atlanta, GA
Researching: KRIEGMAN (Rogachev,Novograd Volynskiy, New Jersey, Chicago);
BRICHKE (Rogachev, Novgorad Volynskiy, New Jersey, Chicago); SHARE /
CHERNORUDSKY (Berdichev, Chicago); SMASON (Grodno, Philadelphia, Denver,
Chicago); KNOPF (Berlin, Germany Philadelphia, Chicago); REDMAN (Ladyzhinka,
Chicago); SHPARAGO (Dubova, Ternovka, Nikolaev)
-diane,daniel, and the dogs....still howling at the moon-

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