Re: Jews outside the Pale of Settlement #ukraine
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Doug Cohen
My family, as well, came >from the same area -- Olyka, about 15 km from
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Lutsk. They described themselves as Russian, which they distinguished from Polish, Lithuanian, or Galician. There is an interesting book, Beyond the Pale, by Ben Nathans, which talks about the process by which there was a selective integration of certain Jews into interior Russia. I guess I'm saying that her knowledge of Russian doesn't prove that they lived outside the Pale; by the end of the 19th century, Jews, including girls, had dramatically increased their education levels. But there were Jews who moved beyond the Pale, although after 1882, the May Laws forced a great many of them back to the Pale. But after 1917, many things changed. Doug Cohen Lexington, MA Sarasota, FL
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From: Hana Abdul-Haq [mailto:abdulhaq.hana@...] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:48 PM To: Ukraine SIG Subject: [ukraine] Jews outside the Pale of Settlement I recently got in contact with somebody who knew my family and he told me something extremely surprising. He said that at some point my great-grandmother and her family lived in Saratov which is in inland Russia and outside the Pale. This would explain a lot of things I haven't been able to understand about my family like the fact that my great-grandmother spoke and wrote a lot in Russian. She was born in Lutsk and I assumed women >from the shtetl were never really that educated so I thought it was strange. She always said with a lot of pride that she came >from Russia. I thought she meant the Russian Empire. I never imagined she meant Russia proper. She also had a lot of Russian silver spoons and forks with very nice decorations. I assumed these things would have been available everywhere in the Empire but now I'm wondering if such items were really available in Lutsk or maybe she brought them with her >from Saratov. My question is: what were Jews doing outside the Pale? As far as I knew, they were forbidden to reside outside of it. Were there any exceptions to this rule? Also, does anyone know anything about the Jewish community in Saratov? And if it's possible to get in contact with anyone there? I assume it never was a huge community. Thanks for any information. Hana Timisoara - Romania
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