BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland Re: Summary of Trip to Poland -- Report 2 #poland
Very interesting commentary >from Tilford. Also, some very interestingtoggle quoted messageShow quoted text
real-life experiences with these two issues.
My intent was to highlight the impact of these two issues to our pursuit
of Genealogy. Of course, these issues have a much heavier impact to Jews
living in Poland and those who lost loved ones and property as a result
of the Soviet occupation in 1939-41, the Nazi occupation and Holocaust,
and the post War Soviet administration.
Recognizing that my observations result >from only a short visit to
Poland and some Internet reading about these issues, I agree that the
property restititution issue is very emotional and more critical to
Jewish-Polish relations. It is true that segments of the Jewish
Community disagree on the disposition of the recovered Jewish communal
property. Even worse, this disagreement is played out in the press.
If anyone is interested in more background on this issue (in English),
please see the following websites:
For those interested in Jewish issues in Poland, at the bottom of the
last two webpages are Index of Names and Index of Subjects for you to
In my mind, the communal restitution and the private restitution are
completely different issues. However, these get mixed together and could
lead to Xenophobia and anti-Semitism in Poland. I am not sure how we can
help, but I think Genealogists must tread lightly at this time when they
research in Poland making sure that research requests do not appear be
addressing property issues.
For those interested in property restitution issues, this is not the
forum for discussion of individual claims. Individual restitution now
must be played out in the Polish political and court system.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tilford Bartman" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: "Mark Halpern" <email@example.com>
Cc: "BIALYGen: Bialystok Region Jewish Genealogy Group"
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [bialystok] Summary of Trip to Poland -- Report 2
trying to find if documentation was available of the trial where mythe
records of this trial would have information about what happened inon
Zabludow most of which I was familiar.security
agencies is a huge one for Polish people, and I don't doubt that thisthat
since the fall of the communist government in Poland very little hasperiod.
Many ex-communists have been successful in the "new" Poland includingpeople
generally do elsewhere. There where very few true heroes in thisregard.
Historically I think the view in Poland has been widespread that 1)I
think is to quite a large extent correct but still somewhatexaggerated
by many Poles. 2) that it was largely Jews who were responsible for orof
truth but is very distorted and exaggerated in a convenient way. IAmericans,
Canadians, Brits, etc., would like to see the government in Poland doproperty
restitution, as you mention even Germans. Can you imagine how manyPoles
might feel about that! What about the more than 1 million Poles fromthe
Zabludow Synagogue model project about a year ago. They had a goodtime,
and were pretty enthusiastic. Their one concern was that the projectgreat
deal of bitterness and divisions within the Jewish community in Polandsuch
decisions. About five years ago I was able to obtain an originalhas
the seal of the post war Bialystok Jewish community. I gave a copy ofit
to the Jewish Historical Institute in Warsaw. It appears that on theI
learned that when the fire station was being built they hit a largeto
find where were the exact foundations of the synagogue and do someand
then my great uncle was still there after the war. Now it appears tothat
the original home was still there. I talked to the owner who told meBaron,
and that my families home and shop was on the other side of the streetresidency
list for her home. She was really very nice. I image in part becauseher
home had been legally bought before the war. She told me that whenthey
were building the homes where my families Smith shop was they foundsome
old horse shoes and that she still had a few. She gave me one which ofelected.
I wonder what effect that will have on issues of concern to us?