Debby Gincig Painter
I am in serious need of advice and guidance. I have written about this before
but new documents have surfaced. This is a little long but details are really
necessary so thanks for bearing with me on this.
For years now I've been trying to figure out if my Great-Grandfather,
Mosiek/Moses/Max KLINGER (born November 10, 1860 on most documents)
had been married twice or three times. The following documents led me to
believe that there were three wives:
1. Marriage to Chana Ewa Marjy/Maryjem Marium ROZENWAJG >from marriage
certificate as well as Strasbourg "census of alien residents."
She died April 4, 1900.
2. Birth certificate for my Grandmother Lea Elisabeth KLINGER LUSTIG
(born in Herxheim formerly Herscheim in Alsace) as well as the marriage
certificate for her older sister Rifke "Regina" KLINGER FACTOR (born 1901
in Pietrokov) has their Mother as Anna JOSKOWITZ/Cheeny Nisli JOSKOWITCH
born July 7, 1879 in Pietrokov, Russia/Poland (birth date and place from
Strasbourg "census of alien residents). No death certificate has ever been
found for her in Strasbourg or Dortumund, Germany and I have not been able
to locate a birth certificate or marriage certificate in Pietrokov.
3. Birth record of my Great-Uncle Herman KLINGER (born November 4, 1921
in Dortmund received >from Dortmund as well as several German records from
before WWII as well as >from her arrest and deportation papers show his Mother
(though also listed as Mother for Isadore and Johanna KLINGER) as Nisle
LEVI/LOWI born August 22, 1881 in Koeningshofen, Alsace. No birth
certificate has ever been found for her in or around Strasbourg.
Now with three different names and three different birth dates and places
of birth, it would seem to be a done deal that there were three wives but
one of my Aunts insist that there were only two wives, another says there
were three, and I just received a form for emigration for the Netherlands
that show my Great-Grandfather with 4 of his children, wife Cheeny Nisli
JOSKOWITCH now born August 22, 1876 in Peterhof, Poland) leaving the
Netherlands September 15,1919 for Alsace. The birth date listed, the
fact that they leave the Netherlands in September, 1919 and arrive in
Dortmund, Germany February, 1920 has now given me doubts about there being
three wives. (For clarification, family leaves Alsace during WWI to
Netherlands, leave Netherlands after ward ends to Strasbourg, apply for
German citizenship and then go to Germany).
And it continues:
Per notes on his death papers (information sent to me), there are notes
that my Great-Grandfather changes his date of birth to January 1, 1872
and being born in Strasbourg. Per the researcher who sent the information:
The name of his wife is again denotes as Nisle KLINGER, born as Lowi.
His age is declared as 70 years, which goes along with his real age.
This entry did not change, although later in a side note, the information
"born in 1.1.1872 in Strasbourg" was added, what would have made him a 59
year old man.
This same researcher sent me this explanation about the differences
in birth dates for my Great-Grandfather: "You can see that the dates
of Max KLINGER's birth are different >from those in the "Record Office"
in Strasbourg. The interpretation of the facts leads to the idea, that
Max KLINGER intentionally gave wrong dates about his person to the authorities.
With his place of birth in Lodz, the German authorities would have seen his
as a Polish citizen. If he had told his date and plate of birth in Strasbourg,
they would have seen him a French citizen. Only by changing his date of birth
into a time when Strasbourg and Alsace was annexed by Germany and was made
into a German territory after the war between Germany and France, he could
insist on becoming a citizen of a German state, in this case Prussia.
In the "Hausstandsbuch" of the Schwarze-Bruder-Str. you can see that this
was successful and the whole family had the Prussian citizenship.
SO the question remains, is wife #2 and wife #3 the same person?
Would she also had changed her birth date and place of birth as well as
her last name to be officially considered German or eligible for a German
citizenship? And other note: June 6, 1896 my Great-Grandfather stays
with a family named LEVY is Strasbourg. Is there a connection?
Thanking all in advance for the help, advice or anything offered.
This is a family mystery that really needs to be solved and
that I'd really like to put away once and for all! Please send a copy of
your answer to me privately at email@example.com.
Debby Painter Constantine, Michigan firstname.lastname@example.org