Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Dolina / Dolyna in the JewishGen Family Finder #galicia

Rivka Schirman <capitetes@...>

There was, indeed, a Dolina in the Tarnopol province in interwar
Poland, but it had nothing to do with the then Janow or with the
nowdays Ukrainian Dolyna which goes as follows:

Austrian-era name: Janow
Coordinates: 4913 N, 2543 E
Interwar Polish province: Tarnopol
Nearby towns:
Terebovlya (Trembowla), Khorostkov (Chorostkow), Ternopil.
Jewish population: 998 in 1880, 525 in 1921
Town name in JewishGen FamilyFinder: Dolyna, (Janow), Uktraine
Town name in JewishGen Communities Database: Dolina, Ukraine

I have the original census books of 1921. There was only one
Dolina in the province of Tarnopol between the two world wars in

Dolina, in the district of Czortkow, and it had, in 1921 a total of
870 persons, 26 Jews.

Janow, a much bigger place, in the district of Trembowla, had a
total of 2292 people, and, indeed, 525 Jews, and had nothing to
do with Dolina.


1. when you look at "Villages Filmed by the LDS in The Ternopil
you will find that they clearly list Dolina as part of Yahilnytsia
(Jaglienica), Czortkow (Chortkiv), which makes much more sense
for "our" Dolina, than Janow which is not even remotedly linked
to it.

2. If you look at the ShtetLink of Susana Leistner Bloch
you'll see that she, like me, found it at coordinates 4857 2543
(and not as Janow, given as 4913 N, 2543 E by the Community
database) and she says (and I corroborate by my researches) "in
present day Ukraine, Dolina is in the Ternopilska Oblast (Region /
Province) and in Chortkivskyi Raion (County/ District)".

So, what I think happened here is the following:

1. The Dolina of Czortkow, Ternopil is still where it was, and is
still called Dolina .

2. The problem stems >from the fact that when you search for
"Dolina" and "interwar country- Poland" you get "Janow" as
answer, which seems to be an inaccurate answer or at least in
contradiction with other sources. In the interwar Poland country,
in the same province of Tarnopol, Janow was Janow, and Dolina
was Dolina, another village alltogether not to be confounded.

If you add to this the fact that the original Dolina does not exist
at all in the database and that Janow is now called Dolina in
modern Ukraine, people >from the original
Dolina-Czortkow-Tarnopol might have very hard time finding
their original shtetl in Ukraine or their vital records, which may
**not** be in Janow (Terebovli district) , but more probably in
Yahilnytsia, Chortkiv district. Maybe the database should be re-
progarmmed not to give the result of "Janow" for the search of
"Dolina + inter-war country Poland", but only for "Dolina
+ modern country Ukraine".

This brings up the problem of naming the places by their
modernized names when, in fact, all the genealogical searches
are held with documents that bear the old original names ....
That give you a person that is looking for Dolina (old Polish
names) and getting answers for Dolyna new Ukrainian name....

Ideally, and maybe one day, when jewishgen is rich enougn we'll
get there, the search engin and all the databases will be
programmed to be able to search - and find - by German names
of places for Austrian Empire, Russian names for Congress
Poland and post WWII, Polish names for Interwar Poland and
Modern Poland and Ukrainian modern names for nowadays
Ukraine ...

For what it's worth,

Rivka Schirman nee Moscisker
Paris, France
Searching: MOSCISKER >from Brody, Budzynin, Buczacz, Okopy
Szwietej Trojce, Krakow, Lwow), WEISSMANN and REINSTEIN >from
Okopy Szwietej Trojce (Borszczow, Tarnopol)

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