Hungary SIG #Hungary Query re "Graus Vater," June 25, 2004 #hungary


Cheryl Etting posted a query about the meaning of "Graus Vater."

Almost certainly, "Graus Vater" is the German for "grandfather." My mother,
born in New York in 1918, always called her mother's parents "grossmutter" and
"grossvater," the German for "grandmother" and "grandfather." (Yet Germans,
I am told, have other words for those two relations.)

Mom's grandparents on that side of her family had come >from Hungary to New
York; they always said >from Budapest but, in fact, we now have definitively
traced them to the town of "Kosice," which Cheryl also lists in her family

C. 1890, Kosice was part of Hungary or, probably more accurately, the
Austro-Hungarian Empire--on the EIDB, that great-grandmother gave her country of
origin as "Austria". . .between the world wars, it appears to have been part of
Czechoslovakia. . .and, today, it is a town in the separate country of Slovakia.
Working with a long-lost cousin whom we found through JewishGen, we also
have traced members of that same family branch to the nearby towns of Huncovce
and Sobrance.

That branch of Mom's family always had spoken German at home, even a
half-century after they arrived in New York; in fact, I am told that they were proud
of the fact that they knew no Yiddish. I always had found this fact to be odd.

Yet, several years ago, it was well-settled (right here on this H-sig forum)
that it was, indeed, typical of the Jews of that particular corner of the
world not to speak Yiddish.

Judy Segal
New York City and, sometimes, Los Angeles, USA

BAYERN, HERSKOVITS (alternate spellings), ROSENBERG, HABER, KOHN, of Kosice,
Huncovce and, possibly, Sobrance; New York, Cleveland area.

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Subject: Translation
From: "Cheryl Etting" <>
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 04:17:13 +0000
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I just received information regarding my gggrandfather, Israel Korngut (b.
1824 in Pilchov), living in Circ, Slovakia in 1875. According to a birth
record received >from the archives in Slovakia: the child's first name is listed as
Eliasz Godel Korngut (b. 12-4-1875 in Circ). Mother is Temma Korngut, with
no father's name listed. "Godparent" is Moses Goldberger.

Under notes it states: "Graus Vater Israel Korngut". What does "Graus Vater"
refer to? Could this be "grandfather"?

Any input is appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Cheryl Etting
Chatsworth, CA

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