Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Meaning of "Servant" in 18th and 19th Century Hungarian Censuses #hungary


esideman@...
 

Dear Hilary,
When I read the t wo explanations, they seemed to make sense to me. I
interpreted "Servant of the Jewish community" as possibly a handyman,
providing services upon request. If they were of a physical labor =
nature,
that could be interpreted as "servant" (menial work). As for "Extremely
poor, occupation as a servant to endure," there is great dignity to this
statement. I read it mainly as enduring while earning a meager =
livelihood by
serving others. Enduring is noble, and goes back to Job.=20
My Hungarian is not great, but I may be able to look at the exact words =
and
glean more >from them. Might you be able to send me the Hungarian =
statements?
I'll be glad to see what else I can understand >from the original. My
parents were Hungarian speaking, and I have a basic knowledge of the
language.=20
How wonderful that you were able to go back all the way to 1771 while
searching for your ancestors!
Kind regards,
Eva Sideman
esideman@comcast.net

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1. Meaning of "Servant" in 18th and 19th Century Hungarian Censuses 2.
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Subject: Meaning of "Servant" in 18th and 19th Century Hungarian =
Censuses
From: hilary2@aol.com
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 21:04:01 -0500
X-Message-Number: 1

There are two censuses of Hunszdorf (now Huncovce, Slovakia) that =
contain
unusual references to servitude with respect to my ancestor/s, Marcus
Wolf/f, for which I've been unable to obtain a meaningful explanation -
although perhaps the translation is at the bottom of this.

The census of 1771 describes Marcus Wolff as being "in Hungary since =
1729;
servant of the Jewish community."

And according to the census of 1838, Marcus Wolf was "extremely poor,
occupation as a servant to endure."

I would appreciate hearing >from anyone who has any insight into these
comments.

Thank you.

Hilary [Stein] Osofsky
Orinda, CA
WOLF Bucovce, =C2 Huncovce,=C2 Jelsava, Kosice, Kral'ova Lehota, =
Liptovsky
Hradok, Maly Slavkov,=C2 Nehre,=C2 Nizne Ruzbachy, Porubka, Revuca,=C2 =
Sulin,=C2
Satu Mare, Visne Ruzbachy NUERENBERGER Frankova, Hagy, Krizova Ves, =
Olublo,
Podolinic, Spisska Stara Ves, Vysne Ruzbachy, Zalesie, Zilinarhaps the
translation is at the bottom of this.

The census of 1771 describes Marcus Wolff as being "in Hungary since =
1729;
servant of the Jewish community."

And according to the census of 1838, Marcus Wolf was "extremely poor,
occupation as a servant to endure."

I would appreciate hearing >from anyone who has any insight into these
comments.

Thank you.

Hilary [Stein] Osofsky
Orinda, CA
WOLF Bucovce, =C2=A0Huncovce,=C2=A0Jelsava, Kosice, Kral'ova Lehota, =
Liptovsky
Hradok, Maly Slavkov,=C2=A0Nehre,=C2=A0Nizne Ruzbachy, Porubka,
Revuca,=C2=A0Sulin,=C2=A0Satu Mare, Visne Ruzbachy NUERENBERGER =
Frankova, Hagy,
Krizova Ves, Olublo, Podolinic, Spisska Stara Ves, Vysne Ruzbachy, =
Zalesie,
Zilina

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