Re: Seeking the WEILER family from Tieventhal or Dieventhal, GE to USA circa 1834 #germany

ernest kallmann <kallmann.ernest@...>

MODERATOR NOTE: Ernest Kallmann is the author of a series of articles concluding
in the next issue of "Stammbaum" (N. 26). The series describes how Nazi
"racist obsession" created highly detailed records with great impact on
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Re: "Deek WEILER T/Dievthenal, Germany > USA ca. 1834" (Sun, 21 Nov 2004)

The posting I am responding to is a model in case. [An example of how German
place names and genealogy research can be complicated by historical events.]

Tieventhal or Dieventhal sounds uncommon to German readers, but when they speak
it, with the "v" pronounced like the English "f", then it begins to make sense.

By the way, using the Shtetl Seeker, inputting Dieventhal and Germany yields 13
hits, among which eleven Tiefenthal.

Now, what and where is Rhenish Bavaria [aka Rheinbayern aka the Palatinate] ?

The "Palatinate" refers to a "land" [or a region] on the West bank of the Rhine,
given to Bavaria after the end of the Napoleonic era. [This region is also known
as the "RheinPfalz". Towns in this region *** at one time *** were in Bavaria.
But the modern German state (Land) of Bavaria (Bayern) lies rather far to the
east of "Rhenish Bavaria".]

The region later on became Prussian.
[Today this region is niether in Prussia nor in Bavaria.]

The Palatinate was annexed by the French Republic around 1798, at which moment
civil vital registration was instituted and subsequently maintained after 1815.

Jews, who before that time were considered foreigners in transit, would now
be recorded in birth, marriage and death records; East of the Rhine, civil vital
registration started much later, in 1871.

Back to Tiefenthal. There are only two such places in the Palatinate.
One is near Bad Kreuznach, a region where many Jews were living. I would
suggest you start there. The "Standesamt" and archives are located in
Bad Kreuznach (ZIP 55545). The other one is 67311.

Be aware that German privacy law requires you state that you are a
direct descendant of the person searched, which needs no more proof than
stating it in your message.

Ernest Kallmann Suburban Paris, France

Words within [brackets] were added by the Moderator with the approval of
M. Kallmann. The intention is to try to make a complicated matter a bit less

Original message:
Does anyone know how to locate records >from a town which is either spelled
Tieventhal or Dieventhal, Germany? There is an LDS film for a town spelled like
this but it was of no help. Specifically, we are looking for information about
the family of Michael Weiler, >from D/Tieventhal, Rheinbayern(Rhenish BAvaria)
who emigrated via LeHavre on 7 Dec 1834. He probably lived in Cincinnati.
Can one write to the City Hall of the town? Or specific archives? All of my own
German genealogy was given to me so I have never had to do research there.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Marian Brown Cincinnati, Ohio USA

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