Re: Re. Military records in the Austro-Hungarian Empire #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>

Tom Weiss wrote: Emailer 2 said that the records were
once free but now cost about 80 Euros. That emailer
also said that the records >from outside Austria were
destined for Prague and Thyrnau and all the later have
been lost. Vienna still has records of gallantry,
officers, and higher ranks.

I would like to identify myself as Emailer 2 and
expand on the above: I did tell Tom that the military
records were once free - indeed I obtained them for my
great-uncle Siegfried KERNER and learnt >from them that
he was short-sighted and a keen cyclist and skier! As
he died in the holocaust, this was valuable
information about him.

Entry to the Staatsarchiv, Nottendorfergasse was also
once free. There is now a daily fee [ca 7 Euros], but
one can get reduced rates for longer periods. There is
now also a search fee for records and this has to be
paid even if no records are found. This was not the
case when I asked for the records of Ernst KERNER
Siegfried's brother in late 2003. They could not find
any, but I did not incur a charge for the abortive

I was quoted 80 Euros for another search last year -
which seemed rather steep if no records were
available. Someone else was quoted ca 40 Euros. I
expect the search charges are based on an estimate of
the time spent in the search. You now will get a quote
when you ask for records.

I was told that the major destination of records from
military personnel who were not "zustandig"
[resident] in Austria itself were Prague and Thyrnau
and that probably most of the latter had been cleared out
in a spring clean!

Vienna still holds the records of all Austrian
citizens and the records of higher ranks, gallantry
awards and special mentions etc for those soldiers
coming >from the wider Habsburg empire. The ordinary
soldiers' records >from the wider Empire were all
repatriated after WW1.

Where the Galician records went - I do not know, but a
search of the Special interest group message archives
with the terms galicia war records provided a very
useful posting on 23 Mar 2004 >from Brian J Lenius
entitled: Military service/Kolomea.

There are references to articles in this posting which
should provide leads including two by Christian
Tepperberg, the Director of the Kriegs Archiv.

1. Tepperberg, Dr. Christoph. "The Personnel Records
of the Austrian War Archives (Kriegsarchiv)" in East
European Genealogist. (East European Genealogical
Society, Winnnipeg, Canada, Vol.5 No.4, Summer 1997,

2. Tepperberg, Dr. Christoph. "The Austrian War
Archives in Vienna (Kriegsarchiv Wien) and its Records
Pertaining to Personnel" in East European Genealogist.
(East European Genealogical Society, Winnnipeg,
Canada, Vol.8 No.4, Summer 2000, pp.9-24)

Celia Male [UK]

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