JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: SONENSCHEIN/1st Sedlcer Unter Verein #general

debjkay <debjkay@...>

Have you tried looking up passenger manifests at the Mormon Family History
Center? I also live near LA, and the Santa Monica Temple has a complete
set of immigration manifests >from 1986-1940 [Mod Note: probably meant 1896
or 1886 to 1940](or so) and indices. The manifests usually give you a lot
of info, including town of origin.

They also have indices to NYC death certificates, you need to search by
borough by year, but then can order >from NYC with the certificate name.

Incidentally, I have family >from Siedlce, and just wanted to let you know
that it is a "province" (gubernia in Polish) as well as the main city in
the Province. Also, immigrants sometimes came >from smaller towns "near" a
city, and in America stated they are "from" that city, the way I would say
I'm >from LA, although you would have to look in another adjacent county
for my records.

The passenger manifests are great for this. In the FHC in LA they are
separated >from the other films in a corner of their own, and Labeled, so
you do not need to do much computer searching. The staff, while extremely
eager to help, is sometimes made up of volunteers who are not as familiar
with some of the materials. I am very grateful for all the help I have
gotten, but just wanted to point out that I found out "by accident" about
the segregation of the films, as the two volunteers I asked kept telling
me to look under the numerical film number only. Passenger Manifests also
show, of course, the whole family that arrived (though All of my
grandparents' families came in pieces, but if one sibling was in America,
his or her address is given, and you can then check census records-- in LA
FHC, and there is a NY census, as well as the US Census, and it is much
harder to access, though worth it. It will give dates and locations of
naturalizations sometimes)

Also, have you tried the Social Security Death Index? You can find this
under You can obtain for $7 the actual (well a copy)
application for the number in the person's own hand, including town of
origin (though some "cheated" and put "Poland" only) and mother's maiden

The numbers came into existence in 1936, but for the individual you seek,
try bothers and sisters. That's how I found towns for my grandparents in
two cases, each had 5 siblings, and two in each case listed the exact town,
the rest, including gparents put "Russia" or "Poland". It was also the
first way I found out that my great-grandmother's name was "Faiga Brucha",
rather than "Bertha", the only name I knew. This enabled me to find her
Polish birth records (once again, my grandmother listed only Bertha, it was
a sibling)

Hope this is not too much information. You also asked about the National
Archives and Naturalization papers, but many older people did not get
naturalized, and some children were naturalized under their parent's names.
Good FAQ on Jewishgen about this, bottom line, I have looked at this after
the above. Also, if you find the Passenger Manifests, there may be an INS
number written near the name of the individual, which was used to get a
"Certificate of Arrival" for Naturalization. Using this number, and
another Jewishgen FAQ, you can give the NA more information and get much
quicker of a response.

The second problem with the NA (I hate to say problem, as they have also
been wonderful, let's say disadvantage) is that many people were
naturalized in local (county) courts, and these records must be accessed
through the county clerk. NYC has five counties (the Brooklyn index for
some years is on line with a search function), and they would not be able
to find these records.

As for your last inquiry re: cemetery, do you have a picture of the graves?
I have gotten Beth David to photograph for me, there may have been a
charge, say $7 or $10, and you can then get the father's name of the
person off of the tombstone. They may have info on the burial society
(there is a Jewishgen cemetery site on NYC Cemeteries that has some of

Good luck.

Debra Kay
Simi Valley, Ca

Searching LEWITA, BUCHBINDER, ZLOT Siedlce, Sokolow, Wenegorow

From: R Rose <singsong@...>
I am brand new at this, thanks for understanding, I'm sure to get better
at it.

Can anyone tell me what the First Sedlcer Unter Verein and whether there
are records available on this organization or other Sedlcers? We are
researching our grandfather, Max Sonshine.

We know that he came to the US in about 1903 >from Sedlce Poland
(supposedly near Gdansk/Gdanya) and died in an accident in Manhattan NY
in May, 1931.
He and his wife are buried in Beth David cemetery in Nassau Co, NY. We
assume he immigrated to NY City. There is a notation about his working in
coal mines in Pennsylvania, and his death certificate indicates his
occupation as toolmaker. I know the original name was Sonenschein or

The burial plot was identified by Beth David cemetery as part of 1st
Sedlcer Unter Verein. No dates of birth are given, as both records show
their age in this format: 46/0/0. His parents, Rose Cohen and Joseph
Sonshine are shown on the death certificate only as coming >from Poland.

I have a photo showing a family of at least 6 or 8 brothers but with no
notations. I have a few more fragments, one child might have been born in
Poland when Max would have been 17 or 18. This child called Frank might
have been named Isaac.

Any direction someone might share for pursuing this would be most
appreciated, the organization or burial society (?) should probably be my
first step. I am located in Southern California and could go to Laguna
Niguel for the Federal records if it makes sense.
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