JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ship arrivals in the 1880's... where #general


...Did your elusive person create any records in England? Did
he marry there, have children there, work there, get enumerated on
a census there, a witness to a marriage, or have legal issues there?
How about any other family members? Maybe this can give you a clue
as well. Is his name in the Poor Jews Shelter? I too have a very
elusive person the came in >from England. I cannot find him because
I do not know what name he stayed there under. He did not live with
his parents.<<<

Similar problem on this end: Isidor and Mary probably would not
have left many, if any, records in England, but Mary's sister and
her husband traveled with Isidor and Mary to England, intending to
continue to the US. They were cheated out of their passage fare
and remained in England. Legend has it that the sister, Celia, was
expecting a child. Legend further has it that they set up an
apothecary shop in Petticoat Lane. Unfortunately, confirming any
of this is difficult because the only definite original surname I
have is the Pschedesky, the maiden names of Mary and Celia. I
don't even have the first name of Celia's husband. So, it's combing
through the passenger lists for me, though I'm also patiently waiting
for the 1901 London census to come online so that I can find out the
Enumeration district for Petticoat Lane and start combing through
to look for apothecaries (and hope for accuracy of the legend!).

He could have been Barnet(t) SHAPIRO. He could have been Benzion
SZABAS or something that sounds like SZABAS or SHABBAS. I know he
was there, I just have to find the records. He was there for about
12 years. Good luck in your search,
Linda Altman - Raleigh, NC<<<

Understood! I have a feeling that the surname Isidor used once in
the US, Phillips, has very little relation to his actual surname,
and I'm still clinging vaguely to "Dadacz" -- this was the name of
his father as given in Isidor's death certificate. The father's
first name was "Moses", according to this, and recent support of
this statement reached me in the translation of the Hebrew inscription
of Isidor's grave stone, thanks to the efforts of the members of this

Frustratingly, Isidor was occasionally in the habit of using "Isidor"
as a surname and Philip as a given one. Even more occasionally, he
uses Israel for a first name, and the Hebrew inscription of the
tombstone calls him Ytzack. So I'm guessing that his first name
was, indeed, something beginning with "I", which still leaves the
surname a mystery.

It's actually rather funny: when I first started tracing, I was
sure that Isidor would be fairly easy to track while the Maltinskys
would be almost purposefully annoying. And it's just the opposite:
the Maltinskys are yielding living relatives and bits of information
all over the place, and I can't get to first base with Isidor.

Example: Just got the marriage certificate for PA-based Samuel
Maltinsky and discovered his wife's maiden name was Gulke Kunst,
from "Russia". Census reports say she and Samuel were married the
same year she came over (though they miscalculate and state 1890
instead of 1891), so tracing her arrival into (presumably)
Philadelphia port shouldn't be that hard. Also guessing >from
the documented timing that she came over expressly to marry Samuel
and am guessing this means she came >from Latvia, if not Rezhitsa,
though I haven't found too many "Kunst" families in the Latvia SIG.
We'll see what turns up.

That'll teach me to assume.

Wishing all Genners a good new year.

Maria Torres

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