JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish or English? #general


Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

<MBernet@...> wrote

==Germany did not exist as a unified nation before then but it did exist as
a cultural, linguistic and national area. In those respects it was quite
similar to the various colonies and later states that together developed into
the United States. Certainly England/Britain, France, Netherlands, Russia,
Austria-Hungary, Sweden, and Switzerland had existed by then as nation states
for some centuries, and even Italy had by then become a united monarchy.
I repeat my quote >from the articke as to how the Colonists are described in
this article about the Middle Colonies
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_059400_middlecoloni.htm.
The list of the colonists which is a combination of national and religious
origin includes Dutch Calvinists, Scandinavian Lutherans, German Baptists,
Swiss Pietists, Welsh Quakers, French Huguenots, Scots Presbyterians - note
the linkage of geographic area and religion.

The original question related to Colonial America and how nationality would
be referred to. I was merely pointing out when a unified Germany was formed
but the questioner was talking about an earlier period.

This was an era that predated passports but other than in a loose sense I
don't know what it meant. I know that my greatgrandfather was naturalised
British in 1871 but I don't know when that procedure was introduced.

Borders were changing all the time, and >from what you imply in the case of
Germany and Italy, the linguistic and national area became much the same.
Presumably people >from Poland were described as Polish although there was
rarely a Polish kingdom - that is unless you were German or Jewish, in which
case you regarded yourself as Austro-Hungarian and spoke German.

The Wikipedia article on nationalism says that the nation state was born in
1648 with the Treaty of Westphalia. It then says that until the nineteenth
century it was an elite phenomon. It says that multinational states such as
the Austro-Hungarian Empire began to lose their grip, and localised states
such merged into larger national entities eg Germany and Italy.

from 1815 to 1871 was formed the German Confederation.
I understand that the German mercenaries in Revolutionary America were and
are known as Hessians. We still talk about Prussian militarism, and much
reference is also made to Bavaria.

As far as Italy is concerned there is a political party, the Northern
League, that wants to secede >from the rest of Italy. I believe that Italians
are still identified mainly >from the region where they live or originate.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland)
WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany) KOHN (Wallerstein and Kleinerdlingen,Germany)
LANDAU/FREDKIN(Gomel, Mogilev, Belarus)

PS You don't seem to have responded to my statement within the nesting that
should have occurred - that is it doesn't appear to the right of my posting
but immediately under it.

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