JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: London names: HOLRIE, ABRAHAM, BRAHAM, POULTON/POULTOW, #general


Bubby <yeruchem18@...>
 

First, thank you for your response.

John Poulton is recorded as POULTON on the GRO marriage index.
It was not unusual for couples to give the same address on marriage
certificates; I wouldn't draw any conclusion >from this.
That's an interesting bit of information.

The family is certainly confusing. On the 1881 census, Harris Holrie
is listed as Deaf and Dumb. His wife was recorded as Eva.
On the 1891 census there is no record of a handicap for Harris but
a daughter Caroline (33) is listed as Deaf and Dumb. Harris's wife
is listed as Hannah.
Yes, the family is quite confusing! It seems as if the family members change
names almost as often as they change clothes!

The following family members are listed in the 1881 census: Harris, head;
Eva, wife; Mary, daughter; Annie, daughter; Minnie, daughter; Hyman,
grandson.

In the 1891, the family members are listed: Harris, head; Hannah, wife;
Caroline, daughter; Minnie, daughter; Hyman; son.

Between censuses, Eva's name changed to Hannah (unless Eva died or Harris
divorced her and he remarried in the ten years between the censuses). Mary
is gone, Annie is gone and Caroline has appeared and Hyman went >from being
Harris' grandson to his son.

I also noticed what you are saying about the listing of different family
members as deaf and dumb in the 1881 and 1891 censuses.

The daughter, Mary, was listed in the 1881 census as married and I am
assuming that Hyman, who is listed initially as a grandson, is her son. And
I also noted that in the 1891 census, Mary is no longer listed. Would the
census takers make note if a person was divorced? Where is her husband?
Later, Mary is not around and Hyman is listed as a son. Could Mary have
gotten remarried and left her son with her parents? Could she have passed
away?

Harris Holrie died in the December quarter of 1903 (GRO Index).
I have a copy of his death certificate. He was living with his daugher,
Annie, and son-in-law, Louis Braham at 124 Victoria Dock Road at the time.
Their children were: Sarah, Sidney, Lilly and Caroline. It's possible that
Caroline was named after her aunt Caroline who died somewhere between the
1891 and 1901 censuses.

If Hyman (grandson, 1881 census or son, 1891 census) was born
in Warsaw in 1878 and moved to England with the whole family,
it would appear they moved to England between 1878 and 1881.
I hadn't thought of that, but you are right! But I wonder why Hyman is not
found after the 1891 census.

Thanks again for your input.

Fraida Cohen
New York

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