JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Help locating Galician info in Vienna #general
Celia Male <celiamale@...>
Judith Romney Wegner has confirmed her husband's great success in
finding his Galician roots through Vienna records and ended like this: <Those interested might try contacting the Meldeamt Registration Office] of the Wiener Stadt und Landesarchiv [Vienna City Archives] at post@... > My immediate reaction is - ***please do not*** unless you are well-prepared! MA08 [the Wiener Stadt und Landesarchiv, housed in the Gasometer] is very overworked and will not answer unless you have specific address and name details preferably with dates - and these must be after 1900 for a Meldeauskunft [see below]. The subject and methodology for getting the most out of the Vienna records [for anyone - not only Galicians] effectively involves a multipronged approach using many record sources in Vienna. It is often a stepwise procedure, where one thing leads to another and you get a genealogical jigsaw puzzle to solve. I use: 1. Address/telephone books housed in the archive 2. Two pre-1900 databases [if the family was already there, then you get a full listing] - housed only in the archive 3. Cemetery/burial data - >from which you can get addresses - obtainable >from the Israelitische Kultusgemeinde {IKG} and the cemetery itself. The graves themselves often have vital clues too. 4. If there is a death, you can, in many cases, get the Todfallsaufnahme [death registration/probate record] and a will - often with much genealogical data inc. next of kin. NB: You need a name, address and date of death to get this >from the archive. 5. Holocaust data with deportation addresses and post-war records of people seeking compensation and relatives >from Doew. 6. Vital records - ie births, deaths and marriages if they occurred. 7. jri-pl for cross-checking - on line 8. Yad vashem data with POTs - on line 9. Asset files at the State archives - these can be very valuable. 10. Other data in the USA etc If the family has been established in Vienna for a long time and there are many vital records then the approach is different. Galicians often arrived with ready-made families. Once you have an address you can approach MAO8, as suggested by Judith, but ***not before***. The MA08 will reply in German to you with the Meldeauskunft ie details of the household registration documents [Meldezettel] - these often have very important genealogical data in them. Meldezettel pre-1900 were destroyed by overzealous officials having a clearout. MA08 will not undertake genealogical research - ie they will get the probate records [there is a modest fee] for you and the Meldeauskunft [free] but no more. Judith's husband may have been lucky some time ago with a helpful/sympathetic archivist - but this would not happen today! The Habsburg Empire was always known to be one of the most bureacratic in the world - with thousands of civil servants and hence there are oodles of records. I hope you are all now convinced that what I wrote originally is correct. I did not give details of the Galician families I investigated as I have not asked each of the families for their permission. One project is on-going and we have had quite a lot of success [thanks also to Renee Steinig for her help with correlating Vienna records with US records] but sadly we have not found any living descendants yet. With Galicians, there is no guarantee that you will hit the jackpot, but I have in many instances. If they just passed through and never stayed long you may not find a trace. However, an old letter with a home address and date may make all the difference to your research. A confirmation with a jri-pl record is the icing on the cake. Conversely, I know of births and marriages recorded on documents in Vienna which cannot be found on Jri-pl. Celia Male [U.K.] For general advice see: http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ and http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/ausguide.htm and specifically Peter Lowe's excellent article on Meldezettel: http://www.jewishgen.org/bohmor/TOWNS/Austria/meldezettel.htm The LDS records for Vienna are growing by leaps and bounds and will soon include all the vital records held at the IKG, Vienna. |
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