JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Too many with same name - need help sorting out who is who #general

Debby Gincig Painter

After years of trying, I am wondering if someone might be able to help sort some
information out for or with me. I am trying to connect a Morris and a Charles
GINCIG/GINZIG living in New York City to my family.

The problem is that that I have come across at least 6 Charles Ginzigs and
3 Morris Ginzig/Gincigs located in New York City and its boroughs during the
same time period with a Morris and a Charles, both involved in the diamond or
jeweler business but no other information (date of birth/death, family members
etc available) so haven't been able to verify they are the right ones.
(Note: Family stories say we had a relative in NYC or Chesapeake Bay NY that was
a jeweler who never married and so a relative >from California traveled to New
York and received an inheritance. This has been handed down so details are
probably fuzzy at best. It might be possible that he just didn't have any

What information I do have:
An article >from the New York Sun dated Monday December 10, 1928 mentioning a
jewelry store "Gincig & Siegel, Inc" located at 48 West Forty-eight St.

I believe the Gincig in "Gincig & Siegel is Morris Gincig (also found as Ginzig
and other spellings) b. August 1967 in either Krakow, Austria or New York City -
parents born Germany (census information). He was a jeweler and married Julia
(nee REINHEIMER) June 8, 1897 in Manhattan. A death notice has him passing March
30, 1950 but doesn't not mention any children but does mention Julia. His birth
certificate lists parents as Charles and Rose (nee Mincey) Gincig.

Charles Gincig was born Abt. 1835 in Austria (German speaking), and died Unknown
probably in New York City, NY. He married Rosa MEIZEL. She was born Abt. 1837
in Austria (German speaking), and died Unknown in probably New York City, NY.
These names >from Son William's birth certificate. William was b. July 7, 1875
New York City, NY d. February 10, 1936 Los Angeles, Ca. William's year of birth
varies >from 1873-1876 on his children's birth certificates. William is my

Are these the same persons as above?:
1880 New York Census - Charles Ginzig b. abt 1835 (Austria German speaking;
necktie maker) - Wife Rachel b. about 1837 and sons Bernard b. abt 1859 Germany,
John b. abt 1862 Germany, Morris b. abt 1866 Germany, and William b. 1876 NYC.

What information I have that I don't believe is for my Charles Gincig/Ginzig:
Charles Ginzig 1872 113 Division St, NYC Peddler
Charles Ginzig 40 Delancy St New York City 1878 Laborer aka Charles Ginsig:
Naturalized 1876 New York City. Nationality: Austria. Address: 40 Delancy St?
Charles Ginzig 5 Allen New York City - tailor 1886; Necktie Maker 1880
Charles Ginzig b. Oct. 1834 Germany; married Henrietta. 1900 Day Laborer Cigar
Roller 1910. State of Iowa Census.
Charles Ginzig b. about 1833 Poland d. August 13, 1908 Manhattan NY married
Rosalia ? b. about 1835 in Poland. d. March 28, 1902 Manhattan, NY. Source: 1870
census. Is he Kalman Guntzig/Gincig married to Rajzla Muntzer found in Poland
Index Jewishgen?

Census workers many times wrote what they heard, people used different names,
and then throw in the confusion of Krakow belonging to Austria, Poland and
Galicia with its citizens speaking either Polish, German or Yiddish in U.S.
censuses and you can see why I'm crying out for help!!

Here's hoping someone is better at this then I am,
Debby Gincig Painter

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