JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Toby Wien KARP buried in Syracuse, Poiley Tzedek section Beth El Cemetery #general

Barrie Karp

Seeking date & place of death of my paternal gr/gr/mother (my father's paternal
grandmother), Toby Wien KARP. (In later records, Wien was spelled Wein.)

Is there someone in Syracuse who would go to the cemetery and photograph her stone?
and send photo to me? so I can see the writing on the stone? The only information
I have is the location of her stone in Poiley Tzedek section of Beth El Cemetery.
I was told by the Birnbaum Funeral Home in Syracuse that they have a map and could
give directions for locating the stone upon request. We have no funeral home
records or death certificate for her. The Birnbaum Funeral Home told me they see
her stone on their map, but they have no other records about her. That funeral
home came into existence in 1934.

I found a photo of the Poiley Tzedek Cemetery at this link:;PIcrid=2246935&PIpi=9100239&PIMode=cemetery

Her name is variously spelled in records (Passenger, Census, Directories): Tobie,
Tobby, Toby, Tobbie, Toba, Thoda, etc. Possibly Taube. Does anyone know of an
equivalent name that does not begin with a T? No descendants are named with
initial T.

I have no records for her after a Syracuse Directory record for her spelled "Mrs.
Tobby Karp" >from 1924, living in Syracuse with sons Leo, Jacob and Elias. She was
widowed in Pennsylvania 18 Oct 1907 (husband Jacob KARP/Korp, buried in
Wilkes-Barre, PA. listed as rabbi, Darling Street Cemetery, B'nai Jacob Synagogue
(no longer exists)). A number of her children are buried in Syracuse: Leo, Elias,
Jacob, Betty Karp Weltmann (and their spouses). Only one of her children is buried
where she is buried, according to the Birnbaum Funeral Home: Leo Karp (Karp or
Korp) (1877-1964). She lived in Syracuse >from 1915. She lived in Wilkes-Barre,
PA >from arrival in US, 1900, until moving to Syracuse. I have reason to believe
she may have lived to about 1939 or even about 1952 (different hearsay). But her
name has not turned up in any searches of the various databases. I did not find
her name in the 1940 Census.

Her maiden name: WIEN (spelled WIEN in earliest records; then mis-spelled WEIN in
later records).

Funeral home informant for her son, Elias Karp (b. 1891, Tulcea or Jassy, Romania;
d. 1957, in Syracuse) listed her maiden name as "Wein." Elias Karp is buried in a
different cemetery in Syracuse and I have his funeral home records (but not his
death certificate).

Toby Karp is listed on Passenger list 1900 >from last residence, Romania (either
Jassy/Iasi, Tulcea or Bucharest). She is listed as born in Germany in the 1850s.

An elderly cousin (b. 1929) says she lived to 96, but that is inconsistent with
other findings so far. He also says he thinks she died when he was about 10.

Her maiden name, WIEN, is the name of my father's maternal grandparents: Yitzak
WIEN and Leie/Lea/Leah/Lena BERKOWITZ WIEN/WEIN. I haven't been able to trace
Yitzak WIEN at all. His wife, Lea, emigrated to NY 1902, and was widow when she
arrived Nov 1902, but several of her 9 children were born close to 1900 or 1901.

Thank you very much if you can help by getting a photo of Toby Karp's cemetery
stone for me, or by suggesting other names to try instead if Toby, or any other

Barrie Karp
New York City !

Join to automatically receive all group messages.