JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: NY Passenger Lists in 1903 - Use of the "Seaport for Landing..." column #general

ROBERT QUADE <quades@...>

Thanks to everyone who helped me figure this out. I guess I broke some rules,
but I got to this list through a link and must have bypassed any instructions.

I think I found my answer.
In a 1913 passenger list (Zeeland, departing Antwerp 26 Jul 1913; arriving New
York 05 Aug 1913) the instructions for filling out the form were included among
the images. This passenger list had the column "Race or People", described as

"Race or people" is to be determined by the stock >from which aliens spring and
the language they speak. The original stock or blood shall be the basis of the
classification independent of language. The mother tongue is to be used only to
assist in determining the original stock.

I think the 1903 use of the "Seaport for landing..." column was an early attempt
to capture "Race or People". I found some lists where the column had actually
been relabeled "Race", "language", "mother tongue" or a combination of these.

I'm using this information to help determine whether passenger lists are for the
same person or not. My immediate problem is 2 lists I believe show the same
person, but in 1903 his nationality is Hungarian and his ethnicity Magyar; in
1905 his nationality is Austrian and his ethnicity German. I really want to match
these up - but this discrepancy seems to loom large.


On June 25, 2017 at 4:56 AM ROBERT QUADE <> wrote:
I just discovered the fantastic A Guide to Interpreting Passenger List
Annotations at What a wealth of information that no-one else
seems to have thought to publish!

I learned a lot, but I still didn't find the answer to my specific question -
so I'm hoping someone here can enlighten me.

On several passenger lists in 1903, I've found the "Seaport for Landing ..."
column has been used for either language or ethnicity - but I can't tell which.
Can someone tell me, please?

The "Nationality" column seems to be used in the usual way, so I know it's not
that. After reading dozens of passenger list pages, I can't find one example
that is clearly one or the other. I thought I had the answer when I found "No
Italian", but then I found an article explaining that sometimes the languages
of Italy are classified as Northern, Central or Southern. This was also before
the 1917 literacy test requirement, so that wouldn't explain an urgent need to
co-opt a column for language.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Linda Quade

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