Re: Birth records - mother's family #galicia

Mark Halpern <willie46@...>

Israel brings up a few points about the vital records from
eastern Galician towns that can be ordered >from the AGAD Archives
in Warsaw via the Jewish Records Indexing - Poland order
processing system.

Point one is the appearance of the mother's parents names on the
birth record of her children. To summarize the answer: there is
NO rule - there is little consistency in the recording of births
in Galician records.

Before 1877, when Jewish vital record keeping was standardized,
the recording of the mother's ancestral information was not
consistent. In some cases, the father's given name only was
recorded. In some cases, the father's surname and given name were
recorded. In a few cases, the mother's given name was also
recorded. I do not recall ever seeing the mother's mother's
maiden name. The practice varied not only by town, but by
Registrar. If the Registrar changed, the recording of names on
the birth records may have also changed.

In 1877, the data required on the forms to record Jewish births
was standardized. This included the given names, surnames,
occupation, and place of residence of the mother's parents.
Although this requirement was standard, the implementation was
not consistent as Israel points out. Again, the recording of the
mother's mother's surname varied >from town to town and Registrar
to Registrar.

The second point is what information is included on Lwow/Lviv
birth records. So far, JRI-Poland has indexed only the 1889-1899
birth records for Lwow. In these records, the mother's ancestral
information is usually as Israel describes it -- both the
father's and mother's surnames are recorded. This is very
important for further genealogical research as indexing of the
earlier births, as well as marriages and deaths, are still to be
indexed. In these Lwow records, I have also noticed that the
actual street address in Lwow is recorded as the location of the
birth (usually the house of the parents or a close relative).
This is unique as House Number was recorded for location of birth
in all other eastern Galician towns.

Lwow indexing continues with 1877-1888 births. The indexing of
1814-37, 62-76 births, 1870-99 marriages, and 1864-99 deaths will
hopefully follow. If you are interested in the Lwow indexing,
please contact me privately.

L'Shana Tovah,
Mark Halpern
AGAD Archives Coordinator

----- Original Message -----
Since the inception of the JRI-Poland project (actually, even
earlier), the Pikholz
Project has ordered a large number of AGAD records, for at
least a dozen towns
and cities in East Galicia. The actual records generally
include the names of the
mother's parents - although not in all years is this the case.

In the case of Lwow, however, the records we have ordered have
had an
additional piece of information.- the maiden name of the
child's maternal
grandmother. For instance, Mendel and Blime Brandes had five
children in
Tarnopol and one in Lwow. The four records we have for
Tarnopol list Blime's
parents as Peretz and Perl Pikholz, >from which we cannot deduce
for certain
whether Perl or Peretz is the Pikholz. For the child born in
Lwow (the fourth in birth
order), Blime's parents are listed as Peretz Pikholz and Perl
Nagler. Needless to
say, this can be very important.

We have only a handful of Lwow births, so I cannot say if this
is the rule or if we
just got lucky, but I thought I'd bring it to your attention.
At the same time, I'd be
curious to know if this information appears in other places in
East Galicia.

(In another inslance, the Lwow record shows that the widowed
grandmother lives
with the family.)

Wishing you all a good new year and a happy and meaningful Rosh

Israel Pickholtz

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