Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Fwd: more on names #lithuania

Nachum Tuchman


I would be interested in knowing a bit about the grandfather before
commenting. However, not knowing where he lived/died, whether he was
religious or not, I will none-the-less give an answer that would apply
if the grandfather was religious and considered pious.

The talmudic term for a believer, who would never go against a
commandment (mitzvah), including Rabbinic laws, is 'Chaver'. I have
seen it mentioned in the gemorra mostly in regard to giving tithe to a
Levy (maaser) as well as truma to a Cohen. One who is not suspect in
eating produce without first giving the truma and maaser, is called a
Chaver. Sometimes, the term Chaver is used to describe a Rabbi.

Additionally, in tractate Pessachim 4b, the gemorra states that all
(including men, women and children) are trustworthy to check for
chametz prior to Pessach. The wording is 'hakol chaverim hem etzel
b'dikat chametz' - all are chaverim regarding searching for chametz.=20
When the gemorra uses the term 'hakol' =3D all, it comes to add more
than what would normally be considered proper. Hence the addition of
women and children, as well as Jewish slaves for that matter.

(I have written what I wrote only to explain the term Chaver, which is
part of the question at hand. I am not trying to start a discussion
on religion or the gemorra, and do not wish to have private
discussions on the pros or cons of such matters)

Most likely Alter's grandfather was an extremely pious person, hence
the use of the term chaver to describe him.

As to the second question, so what. Adding a name that isn't there
would be like saying that every Leib is Yehuda or Arye, and it isn't
necessarily so. I have a Moshe Leib GINZBURG, d-1935 who married a
sister of one of the Lubavitcher Rebbes, a Moshe Zeev (and not
Binyamin or Wolf), whose daughter married a great grandson of the
Maggid of Mezeritch. I'm sure most of the genners have such examples.
If you don't have the name, and the stone indicates that you don't,
don't make up. Besides, why would you want to?

As another example, my oldest son is named for the Maggid of Mezeritch
and my late brother. His name is Dov Asher. I did not give him the
Ber >from Dov Ber, and it is therefore, not part of his name. Calling
him Berele would not be correct.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel


On 1/25/06, <> wrote:

Could any litvaksigger help me understand the wording on my
grandfathers headstone.
It reads in Hebrew: "Hechaver Avraham Note (spelled nun tet ayin) benre=
b Itamar".

1) What would the word Hechaver refer to?

2) Would I be right to assume that Note is yiddish for Nathan and if so =
shouldn't the Hebrew word Natan have appeared before Note?
Many thanks
Alter Solomon.
TUCHMAN / KLARMAN / ASPIS - Busko-Zdroj Poland, Kielce Gubernia
RAIDER / REJDER / GINSBERG - Soly/Smorgon Belarus
KIWI - Samter, Posen/Berlin BUETOW - Zeitz/Berlin

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