Ukraine SIG #Ukraine RE: mandate era death certificates in Israel #ukraine

Bronstein Family <sygaa@...>

Dear Fellow Ukraine SIG Researchers,

One must remember that documents that are matters of public record in the
US (& perhaps other countries) are not matters of public record here in
Israel. One correction in Steve Rivkin's posting is that it is the
Ministry of the Interior that issues the Death Certificates. The
rabbinate has nothing to do with them. It is marriage licenses that they
are responsible for. Some years ago while doing a research project at
the Central Zionist Archives, I ran across a blank Mandate Era Death
Certificate. I regret that I did not have it copied at the time. I, too,
have applied for my great-grandmother's Death Certificate and spoke with
people at the Ministry of Interior. I was told that the original document
is never copied but the information that it contains is copied and sent to
the family member who requests it. If you are not a family member, you
need a power of attorney >from the family member to apply for it. The
one additional item that can now be requested, it was not supplied when I
first requested the Death Certificate in the 1980's, is cause of death.

One must also remember that some of the information that was supplied at
the time of death was incomplete. This I found even with Death
Certificates issued in the states. It pays to check with the Hevre Kadisha
to get further information. In my great-grandmother's case, I was able to
supply further information to the Hevre Kadisha and they added it to her
One of my daughters is a statistician for the statistics department of the
Ministry of the Interior. She checked and confirmed for me that the
original document (if it still exists) is never copied. I was unable,
even with her help and that of some of the people in her office, to find
out where the original copies of Mandate Era Death Certificates are kept.
My contacts at the National Archives told me that they were not in their
possession. I hope that this is of some help to those who are frustrated
by not being able to get a copy of the original document.

Regards >from Jerusalem - if you are planning to visit Israel, don't cancel
your trip. Right now there are no lines for

Shalom Bronstein, Jerusalem

the DIMMERMAN, BECK & GELMAN families >from Ostrog & vicinity (Volhyn);
IASI (Romanis) - those who came to America all settled in Philadelphia;

Original Message
Subject: [ukraine] mandate era death certificates in Israel

Just wondering if anyone else has had this problem and found a solution.

Both my great great grandparents died in Israel in 1924 and the other in
1925. Its my understanding that these mandate era death certificates were
in English. Under the British the only death certificate copy I can get
from Israel is an <extract> >from the Ministry of Religious Affairs who
issues such certificates. I believe this might be all they have access to -
but one Rabbi said by writing he was able to get a small bit of additional
info. They issue these certificates in Hebrew.

I want a photocopy of the orginal certificate which 1] is in English and
2] it is said they contain additional info often such as a]last address
and b] perhaps names of parents.

Steve Rivkin

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