Ukraine SIG #Ukraine Re: Turkish Ashkenazi Jewry? #ukraine


On the Jewish Geneal. site, there is a section for DNA of Jews to test
their American Indian ancestry. The reason is that Jews >from the
Siberian and other areas are related to people who migrated into N.
America and became known as Amer. Indians. I had a DNA test by and came up with American Indian, specifically, Ojebwe who
are part of the Chipawa nation and pinpointed in Minnesota. Many Jewish
family have Asian blood and features. I also came up with Italian,
French, S. E. Asian and Korean and Japanese. The Japanese and I think
it's the Finn's or Norwegians have their own DNA markers so if one comes
up with those, you're it! I also have other mixtures. Ghengis Khan
alone went through Europe like water through a goose. Plus, even in the
Mideast, which I came up with Syrian, Asians, blacks, and others were
intermingled with Jews/Hebrews. Many early Jewish men, merchants, to
France, in the Marseilles region, prior to even Jesus's birth, were
located in those areas and took gentile wives. After 7 years, the
period when Judaism states that slaves must be released by their Jewish
masters, the men married the women and converted them. I also came up
with high Ashkenazy genes. Remember, there were a lot of Jews in
Greece and Turkey. And, there were many converts >from Judaism to Islam
under threat of death. There were also thousands of Romans who converted
to Judaism until the Pope stopped it.

I recently watch the National Geographic Family Tree special and they
took DNA >from people in Coney Island, NY or Queens and one they took
from was a Turkish man. It turned out he was mostly Ashkenazy Jewish
and he was not pleased. Attaturk, the founder of modern day Turkey is
said to have been >from a Sephardic Jewish family.


Victoria Reed wrote:

I haven't posted in ages - but I have an unusual story my brother
just shared with me and I'd appreciate any input >from Genners.

My brother just returned >from a trip to Turkey. He said that people
kept thinking he was Turkish. He walked into a store in Istanbul and
was conversing in Chinese with his Chinese girlfriend and noticed that
he was getting some funny looks.

The proprietor of the store came right up to him, took a good look at
his face and said, "You're Jewish, right? Well - your family was
originally >from this region."

My brother was shocked, and the fellow continued, "Do you have
ancestors or family relatives who looked Asian?" Well, this
flabberghasted my brother, because our cousin, the former DA of
San Bernadino, was often mistaken for Chinese or Mexican, and I
own a photograph of perhaps a great-great grandfather (we've never b
een sure) taken sometime in the middle of the nineteenth century,
whose eyes have a decidely Asian appearance.

In addition, I was in New York this weekend and got to see my
first cousin's son, who is now thirty. I was struck by his family
resemblence to my brother and one of my sons, and recounted my
brother's Turkey story. He ssaid to me that he had forgotten this
incident, but that when he was young and moved to Texas, some of
the kids didn't want to play ball with him because they thought
he was Korean and didn't speak English.

So - what do you think? We're Ashkenazi, >from Zolkiew back to
about 1800 or so (I have the Zolkiew birth/marriage/death spreadsheet)
and it turned out the store owner who spoke to my brother was a S
ephardic Jew whose family had lived in Istanbul for many generations
(and he is apparently related to one of the Seattle clans).

I've tried googling the history of the Jewish community in Turkey,
and have come up with some information, but this sure makes me think
about Arthur Koestler's theory ...

Thanks, all!

Victoria Fisch (formerly surnamed Reed - I've gone back to my
maiden name)
Folsom, CA

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