Re: A Brick Wall


I would love to give more and specific information, but I do not have any.  The naturalization record is listed under my g-father, with no specifics about Bertha.  The 1930 census is not much help, as there are several Max and Bertha Langers listed.
As for the marriage certificate, it has no information other than what I have listed, other than July 7, 1917.
No one is alive to ask.  I have seen two different spellings of Grutman/Grubman.  I do not know which is correct, because the family insists on Groveman (which I know is not the original).  Sorry I cannot give more information.

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