Father's name would be pronounced Manish on Joseph's stone.
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Assuming the letter vav is an erroneously engraved nun on Samuel's
stone, the pronunciation Manish would be the same.
On 10/5/2020 3:11 AM, Lee Jaffe wrote:
I'm turning again to the wisdom of the group for help interpreting
a father's name on headstones belonging (by some accounts) to two
One, belonging to my great-grandfather Joseph Schwartz (1866-1921)
יוסף בר מאניש
The second belongs to
Samuel Schwartz (1861-1952) reads:
שלמה בן מויש
On the simplest level, I'm hoping the group can help make
sense of these inscriptions. I've searched all of the sources
about Hebrew given names I could identify andI haven't been
able to link either father's name to a Hebrew name I recognize
(Maneesh? Moish, not Moshe?). But, on the other hand, both
versions starting with a Mem doesn't rule out it being Emanuel
(or does it?) If you can point me to a source for these
names, that would get me passed the first hurdle.
On a deeper level, I'm trying to figure out whether there is
anything here that suggests (even slightly) that these two had
the same father? Could one be a typo? A poor rendering of a
badly remembered Hebrew name?
This isn't a random
question. For years, I've seen other trees which link my
great-grandfather Joseph Schwartz (for whom I have no earlier
family information) to the Schwartzstein family: father
Emanuel Schwartzstein and his son Samuel (and Joseph's
putative brother). However, after years of looking, I've
never managed to find any documentation showing a connection
between Joseph and either Samuel or Emanuel. I've tried to
reach out to the owners of the Schwartzstein trees but they
haven't responded to questions about what documentation they
had. Then, last month, MyHeritage matched me to three of
Samuel's descendants via DNA , raising the stakes. But still,
I'd like more evidence that Emanuel is indeed Joseph's father
or that this Samuel (and not one of the many others) is
Joseph's brother. MH's "Theory of Family Relativity" shows a
path from me through these other trees to each of these
matches. But I don't trust the trees.
As luck would have it, I managed to get a photo of Joseph's
gravestone last week and hit on the idea of comparing the
inscriptions. I traced a FindAGrave record linked from one of
the Schwartzstein trees to a photo of Samuel Schwartz's grave
(see attached). As is so often the case, I'm just more
confused. I acknowledge all of the usual sources of
uncertainties. There is no hard-and-fast rule for converting
old-world names into American and I don't trust entries in
other trees without supporting documentation. But then there
is the DNA ... and I can't ignore that I have three matches to
Samuel's descendants.... so, I feel I need to pursue every and
any angle I can.
Thank you in advance for any help or pointers you can suggest.
JAFFE / STEIN (SZTEJNSAPIR) / BRAUN / LUDWINOSKI
JOROFF / SCHWARTZ / KOSHKIN / RAPOPORT / WEINBLATT