Hello Mr Magocsi, 8th May 2021
looking at your request:
In my assertion there are three different birth records:
11.--Sali--might be short for Rosalia -in Hungarian--Jewish name -Baby Suri/Sara --lany/girl born 3rd June 1878 Torvenyes--meaning /legal/ within Wedlock
12. Jozsef--Jewish Name Josef/Josuf--born 25th June 1878--torvenyes/legal -- born within wedlock//meaning parents were married prior to the baby was born.
Fiu/ boy-- father's name Gelb Herman--( Family name GELB--first name Herman--in Hungarian at times the letter 'a' had a dash --leading to the pronunciation of the letter 'a' without the 'dash' being slightly different
Sadly, in my understanding Baby Jozsef passed away_- in 'Nagy-Ida'--I wonder? on the 12th or 14th of Teves??
---On a different note: interestingly--My late father-in law's mother was ;Nee Pepi--GELB--( GELB Pepi ) around 1870??
13: baby Eliaz --born 1878-- fiu/boy Jewish name -- Sruli? I wonder short for Yisroel? Torvanyes /Baby was born also within wedlock
Best wishes to evrybody