Re: Name transformations #hungary


Touvia Goldstein <touviagoldstein@...>
 

DEAR MARION AND ALL,

I WILL REPLY INTO YOUR TEXT WITH CAPITAL LETTERS.

TOUVIA GOLDSTEIN


Dear All,

Following are my questions:

1. Is their a logical or linquistic reason that a given name can be
Jetti, Yetti, Jute (u with oomlat), and Etta -- all the same person?
YES, THESE NAMES ARE ACTUALLY THE JEWISH NAME JUDITH OR YEHUDITH THAT
ALSO WAS COMMON TO BE YIDKE. I FACED EXACTLY THE SAME SITUATION IN MY
RESEARCH. ETTA MIGHT BE RATHER ESTHER.


2. Could Sigmond (or Zsigmond) also be Gische or Sische?
YES, IT COULD BE. NOT ALWAYS THERE IS A DIRECT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE
JEWISH NAME AND THE TRANSLATED NAME INTO A GENTILE LANGUAGE.THERE FORE
THE CONTAXT OF THE DISCOVERY IS VERY IMPORTANT.

3. What is the connection between Feige, Fani, Taube and Tobe?
ALSO POSSIBLE. FEIGE COULD BE "FEIGEL=BIRD" AND TUABE OR TOBE "A
PIDGEON". TOVA COULD ALSO BE THE FEMENINE PARALLEL NAME OF TOUVIA,
THE MASCULINE.

4. Is it possible that the surname Abrahamovitz could transform
itself into Szendrovits? Another time it is written Izenowitz!

TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THAT IN THOSE YEARS TRANSCRIPTS WHERE VERBAL AND
THE ONES WHO WROTE THE NAMES IN THE REGISTRATION BOOKS WHERE NOT
ALWAYS WELL TRAINED. IT COUOLD ALSO BE POSSIBLE THAT, AS RABBI
MARMORSTEIN MENTIONED IN A PREVIOUS POST, MILITARY REASONS MADE THEM
CHANGE THEIR NAMES.THE CONTEXT OF THE FINDING IS VERY IMPORTANT.

5. Could Scheindel and Sandl be the same?
YES, BECAUSE OF ALL THE ABOVE, IN MY FAMILY TREE I MENTIONED TO,
PLEASE, NOT MIND TO MUCH THE SPELLINGS. THIS SAME PROBLEM WE HAVE WHEN
INMIGRANTS PRESENTED THEMSELVES ON ARRIVAL AT ELLIS ISLAND AND THE
CLERK WROTE THEIR NAMES AS "HE HEARD IT MENTIONED" AND DID NOT WORRY
TO CONFIRM IT EXACTLY.SOMETIMES HE EVEN CHANGED THEM BECAUSE "IT WAS
EASIER TO WRITE IT DOWN".

IN THE COPIES OF DOCUMENTS YOU WHERE GENEROUS TO SEND TO ME, WE FIND
THE FAMILY NAME HUBSCHMAN WRITTEN HIPTSCHMAN OR SIMILAR. HUBSCH (WITH
TO DOTS ON TOP OF THE "U") IN GERMAN IS NICE AND IT IS PRONNOUNCED "H"
+ A MIXED "I" "U" PRONOUNCIATION. SO YOU CAN FIND IT STARTING WITH
HUBSCH...HIBSCH...HUEBSH...HUBS...HIPTSSH.., ETC.

AT FIRST GLANCE OF THE DOCUMENTS, I TEND TO THINK THAT, YOUR CIRC
HUPTCHMAN FAMILY AND MY BODRUZAL HUBSCHMAN FAMILY ARE CONNECTED. WE
HAVE TO FIND HOW.TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THAT THE REGISTRATION TOOK
PLACE IN DIFFERENT VILLAGES WHERE THE EXAT PRONOUNCIATION MGHT HAVE
BEEN ALSO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT.
BUT SOME FIRST NAMES ARE THE SAME AND WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A VERY GOOD
WAY TO FIND THE CONNECTION OF BRANCHES THAT NAMED HTEIR DECENDENTS IN
REMEMBRANCE OF A COMMON ANCESTOR.

THE SAME OR SIMILAR SITUATION WE HAVE WITH THE NAME
SCHOENFELD..."SHOEN" IN GERMAN IS BEAUTIFUL...WE CAN FIND IT AS
SHONFELD, SCHENFELD...CHONFELD....ETC.

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