Re: Deutsch family name #hungary
Oudeyis <victor@...>
Gary,
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I tend to Marmorstein's etymology of the Deutch surname. It appears that Jews in large numbers began moving East >from Central and Eastern Germany ever since the end of the 11th century (the 1st Crusade). Many Jews probably emigrated to the kingdoms of Hungary and Bohemia and the borderlands of Silesia in the 12th and 13th centuries along with Saxon German miners invited by local rulers to develop mining industries in their respective domains. German speech (These Eastern German Jews probably spoke German or Judeo-German and not Yiddish) was not an especially distinctive feature of these Medieval Jewish immigrants. Deutch like Friedlander, Venetianer, and Hamburger was more likely a cognomen that described the origins of an individual or family that eventually was adopted as a surname for the lineage. Cliff Geertz shows in his ethnographic reports on Moroccan social practices that while Arabs and Jews traditionally identify their family allegiances by lineage rather than by surname the communities they live in often assign them names describing their origins, callings or other characteristics. These are often "inherited" by their offspring and eventually become a permanent part of the names of entire families and lineages. It is most likely that the surname Deutch and Deutchlander was the end product of such a process.
was not in itself a particularly distinctive ----- Original Message -----
From: <Gary@...> To: "H-SIG" <h-sig@...> Cc: <h-sig@...> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:54 PM Subject: Re:[h-sig] Deutsch family name "Deutsch" may be associated by the attached message.to
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