Re: The Origins of Katz Surname #hungary


Robert Neu
 

I am glad we all answered by the book for what is
considered the etynology of the name "Katz."

The other question you raised is actually whether it
applies to "you", the application of Y-DNA, and though
not expressed that way when or why could the name have
been acquired.

The fact that enough people with names that suggest
or have a tradition of a "kohanim" ancestry share what
is referred to a the kohanim "haplotype" - which is
having in common 6 specific identical markers on their
Y-DNA chromosome - lends credence to their claim that
they have a common male ancestor that would have been
alive at the time that biblically speaking Aaron was
alive.

While we know that some Jewish family names go back
to Babylonia (700 B.C.), or Sephardic Spain
(900-1300A.D.), Northern Africa (1500 to 1800s), Late
Middle Age or Early Renaissance in Germany(
1600-1800), for most Central/Eastern European Jews the
name they carry today was acquired when they were
legally required to have one (anywhere >from the 1780's
to the 1850's depending upon what jusrisdiction they
were under at the time), and this leaves many more
special cases out. Also keep in mind that all names
were not voluntarily acquired.

Therefore are all Katz kohanims? Probably not.
After all a Katz is a cat. When did they acquire the
name? see above.

Short of another word as to one's relationship to
someone with whom you share different degree of Y-DNA
commonality, until substantiated otherwise
(combination of history and paper trail), that person
is just a DNA cousin.

As discussed many times the so-called Hungarian
Jews of the 18th to 20th Century were only there from
at the earliest the early 1700's and many not until
the early to middle 1800's.

Therefore, yes, they probably share ancestry with
Jews >from among other places, Lithuania, Poland, the
Ukraine, etc as those too came >from somewhere, and
eventually the same place.

Robert Neu

--- Robert Neu <roneu1@...> wrote:

Hi.
Meaning of Katz straight >from Ancestry.com
Jewish (Ashkenazic): acronym >from the Hebrew phrase
kohen tsedek ‘priest of righteousness’ (see Cohen).

Robert Neu

--- "Katz, Itzik" <Itzik.Katz@...> wrote:

Dear Siggers,

My cousin had taken the FTDNA Y37 test and the
results that came back
matched several people, one of which is an exact
match with us. The DNA
matching indicate that we are all relatives and
that
our common ancestor
(depending on the level of DNA matchin) lived
between 200 to 600 years
ago.
The ancestors of these people are known to have
come
from Ukraine and
Poland. My family is the only one >from Hungary.

All the people we match with (exact or partial
match) are known to be
Kohanim as the Katz surname would suggest.
However,
only one of them
carry
the surname Katz. All the others have different
surnames like Kahan,
Bloom,
Kaplansky, Feinberg, etc. Most of these people
have
indications that
thier
surname was changed >from Kahan or Kohen but not
from
Katz.

I always believed that Katz was one of those
ancient
surnames since it
has a
meaning in Hebrew and that it was carried over the
generations.

Is it possible that Katz is a germanized name to
comply with the 1786
Empiral naming Order?

I have seen in other places that Katz was also
used
as a title and not
as a
surname. For examply, Rabby Shimshon Eliezer Katz
Gottdiener who was a
"Av-Beit Din (head of Jewish court)" in Tiszalok
(in
the book "Shem
Ha'Gdolim" by Pinhas Zelig Schwartz) who is known
to
have been a Kohen.
Gottdiener is a greminazed name of the Hebrew
surnmae Ovadia (server of
God).

Thank you,
Itzik Katz
Israel

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