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Romanian Archives #romania

Sorin Goldenberg <soring0412@...>
 

Dear Rosanne and other Rom-Sig readers,
The difference between Transilvania archives (or by the way Bucovina -
Suceava was also part of the Austro-Hungarian empire) is that the
registration started some twenty (???) years earlier and it is more
tidy then in other parts of Romania.

I've found out that there is cooperation >from the National Archives at
Botosani, even when I've asked for documents without the knowledge of
the exact date of happening. Are they doing a perfect job ? I do not
know; more then that I am sure that by myself or a good private
researcher that gets his fee directly for me , maybe some extra effort
could be done.
Due to the fact that sometimes we seek for people that we are not 100
percent sure of their names, they do not carry family names, dates
unsure etc... sometimes it is required to assist the process. As I
live in Israel, and speak Romanian, I have no problem to phone and
check the status or clarify things.

I know of a guy in Israel who got documents >from Iasi, although
Rom-sig relayed info that the registers will not be available.

Bucharest may be a different story.
By the way - our ancestors, at least partially are also responsible
for the lack of documentation. Many of them did not bother to perform
civil marriage, as the law required and the result is no marriage
records, and the child is considered as being only the mother's .

Regards
Sorin Goldenberg
Israel


Romania SIG #Romania Romanian Archives #romania

Sorin Goldenberg <soring0412@...>
 

Dear Rosanne and other Rom-Sig readers,
The difference between Transilvania archives (or by the way Bucovina -
Suceava was also part of the Austro-Hungarian empire) is that the
registration started some twenty (???) years earlier and it is more
tidy then in other parts of Romania.

I've found out that there is cooperation >from the National Archives at
Botosani, even when I've asked for documents without the knowledge of
the exact date of happening. Are they doing a perfect job ? I do not
know; more then that I am sure that by myself or a good private
researcher that gets his fee directly for me , maybe some extra effort
could be done.
Due to the fact that sometimes we seek for people that we are not 100
percent sure of their names, they do not carry family names, dates
unsure etc... sometimes it is required to assist the process. As I
live in Israel, and speak Romanian, I have no problem to phone and
check the status or clarify things.

I know of a guy in Israel who got documents >from Iasi, although
Rom-sig relayed info that the registers will not be available.

Bucharest may be a different story.
By the way - our ancestors, at least partially are also responsible
for the lack of documentation. Many of them did not bother to perform
civil marriage, as the law required and the result is no marriage
records, and the child is considered as being only the mother's .

Regards
Sorin Goldenberg
Israel


Re; Do you have a Napoleon 1812 history? #belarus

Dorota <brodzic_dorota@...>
 

subject: Re: Do you have a Napoleon 1821 history?

Hello,
It is my addition to Nancy Holden's information.
There are many of historican books about Napoleon Bonaparte.
I would like to propose you very precious and the best ones.
They are :
" Europe" and - "God Games, the History of Poland " by Norman Davis
Norman Davis is English very talented and objective historian.
You can find off in his books a lots of interesting facts which
can be helpful in understanding of genealogy and the circumstances
of your family live as also you can learn about the culture and art and
geography and political geography of different regions in the history .

Have a nice day.
Dorota Targonska
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Belarus SIG #Belarus Re; Do you have a Napoleon 1812 history? #belarus

Dorota <brodzic_dorota@...>
 

subject: Re: Do you have a Napoleon 1821 history?

Hello,
It is my addition to Nancy Holden's information.
There are many of historican books about Napoleon Bonaparte.
I would like to propose you very precious and the best ones.
They are :
" Europe" and - "God Games, the History of Poland " by Norman Davis
Norman Davis is English very talented and objective historian.
You can find off in his books a lots of interesting facts which
can be helpful in understanding of genealogy and the circumstances
of your family live as also you can learn about the culture and art and
geography and political geography of different regions in the history .

Have a nice day.
Dorota Targonska
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Johannesburg chazzanim #general

Neil@...
 

Looking for any information about two Johannesburg, South Africa chazzanim
brothers- Abraham and Meir Joseph KAPLAN, who came >from Palestine.
They would have been born about 1915-1925.
Thanks
Dr. Neil Rosenstein
Elizabeth, N.J.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Johannesburg chazzanim #general

Neil@...
 

Looking for any information about two Johannesburg, South Africa chazzanim
brothers- Abraham and Meir Joseph KAPLAN, who came >from Palestine.
They would have been born about 1915-1925.
Thanks
Dr. Neil Rosenstein
Elizabeth, N.J.


ZERKOWITZ/NETTEL of Nachod and Croydon. #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

In December 2005 Peter Solti >from Hungary wrote to our
SIG for the first time: "The parents of Jella
ZERKOWITZ are Julius ZERKOWITZ & Emma SCHICK. Emma's
parents are: Ignatz SCHICK and Amalie WERNER. There
is an article in a newspaper Illustriertes Wiener
Extrablatz, 29. April 1911 p 5 depicting them.

Today Bob Hanscomb has alerted us of his fantastic
ZERKOWITZ tree on the FTJP. I have also been to the
ZF, Vienna with Traude Triebel to see the graves of
her ZERKOWITZ family.

So now its my turn. Here is *my* ZERKOWITZ saga: I had
been planning a posting called: "Where have all the
NETTEL gone?" When two years ago, I was researching
tiny Grossbock {Velka Bukovina] in N. Bohemia, I noted
that for about 200 years [1700-1900], just a very few
families dominated this small and historically
significant community* under the protection of Count
Sporck. They were my own KOHN family [later Kerner in
Vienna] who departed for Vienna in the 1850s, as well
as the NETTEL, HERMANN and FEIK families [we believe
the latter are related to Sigger Martin Tompa]. Sadly,
I know where all the KOHN/KERNER have gone - there are
none left, except as descendants with other names.

As for the NETTEL, I have yet to trace one. I have
found NETTEL >from Poland, but Rudolf Wlaschek, the
expert on this area of Bohemia writes that nearly all
the Bohemian NETTEL came >from Grossbock.

It would be nice to find at least one other living
being with a link to Grossbock and its superb little
cemetery full of NETTEL, KOHN and HERMANN I visited
with Achab Haidler and Julius Muller.

I went to the Yad Vashem site and looked for NETTEL by
entering *NETTEL* as a maiden name and Bohemia as
place of birth into an "advanced search". To my
amazement, I found the following: Jenny ZERKOWITZ nee
NETTEL was born in Nachod [very nr Grossbock!],
Czechoslovakia in 8 March 1858. She was married to
Alexander ZERKOWITZ. Prior to WWII she lived
in Graz, Austria. During the war was in
Theresienstadt, Czechoslovakia. Jenny died in 1942 in
Theresienstadt, Czechoslovakia. Page of Testimony
submitted on 03/07/1975 by her daughter.

And where did her daughter Elsa ZERKOWITZ live? Barely
15 minutes walk >from my current home in England. I
feared Elsa, unmarried, must be dead by now. She also
mentions in her testimony, that the family
lived in Hohe Warte, Vienna - a rather upper-class
neighbourhood. The irony of it is that she lived so
close and I have missed her!

Now I find her on the tree Bob Hanscomb has uploaded.
and she has died in 1994: Father Alexander ZERKOWITZ
6 Apr 1860, Vienna, Austria - 1 Jan 1927 Graz, Austria
Mother: Jeanette ("Jenny") NETTEL 8 Mar 1860, Nachod,
Moravia - 22 Dec 1942, Theresienstadt. Daughter Elsa
[nee NETTEL] was born in 1898.

So please Bob can you correct Nachod which is in
Bohemia next to Grossbock - not Moravia!

And sadly it appears there are no ZERKOWITZ/NETTEL
descendants.

re ZERKOWITZ in Vienna in 1933, there were quite a
few: Andre in the wine business; Luise and Ludwig who
was a wine dealer living in Prinz Eugenstrasse
- a very good address! Perhaps related to Andre?
Theodor: Industrialist; Friederike; Grethe; Kathe - a
director's widow; Marie - knitted goods;
Wally - ladies tailoress. Fritz - a medical doctor.
Leopold - Decorator.

I do find it amazing that two descendants of
NETTEL/ZERKOWITZ of Grossbock/Nachod/Vienna and KOHN
of Grossbock/Vienna, should have ended up living so
close to each other in England and, irony of ironies,
not knowing about each other.

Celia Male [U.K.]

* Rudolf Wlaschek wrote a treatise about it.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech ZERKOWITZ/NETTEL of Nachod and Croydon. #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

In December 2005 Peter Solti >from Hungary wrote to our
SIG for the first time: "The parents of Jella
ZERKOWITZ are Julius ZERKOWITZ & Emma SCHICK. Emma's
parents are: Ignatz SCHICK and Amalie WERNER. There
is an article in a newspaper Illustriertes Wiener
Extrablatz, 29. April 1911 p 5 depicting them.

Today Bob Hanscomb has alerted us of his fantastic
ZERKOWITZ tree on the FTJP. I have also been to the
ZF, Vienna with Traude Triebel to see the graves of
her ZERKOWITZ family.

So now its my turn. Here is *my* ZERKOWITZ saga: I had
been planning a posting called: "Where have all the
NETTEL gone?" When two years ago, I was researching
tiny Grossbock {Velka Bukovina] in N. Bohemia, I noted
that for about 200 years [1700-1900], just a very few
families dominated this small and historically
significant community* under the protection of Count
Sporck. They were my own KOHN family [later Kerner in
Vienna] who departed for Vienna in the 1850s, as well
as the NETTEL, HERMANN and FEIK families [we believe
the latter are related to Sigger Martin Tompa]. Sadly,
I know where all the KOHN/KERNER have gone - there are
none left, except as descendants with other names.

As for the NETTEL, I have yet to trace one. I have
found NETTEL >from Poland, but Rudolf Wlaschek, the
expert on this area of Bohemia writes that nearly all
the Bohemian NETTEL came >from Grossbock.

It would be nice to find at least one other living
being with a link to Grossbock and its superb little
cemetery full of NETTEL, KOHN and HERMANN I visited
with Achab Haidler and Julius Muller.

I went to the Yad Vashem site and looked for NETTEL by
entering *NETTEL* as a maiden name and Bohemia as
place of birth into an "advanced search". To my
amazement, I found the following: Jenny ZERKOWITZ nee
NETTEL was born in Nachod [very nr Grossbock!],
Czechoslovakia in 8 March 1858. She was married to
Alexander ZERKOWITZ. Prior to WWII she lived
in Graz, Austria. During the war was in
Theresienstadt, Czechoslovakia. Jenny died in 1942 in
Theresienstadt, Czechoslovakia. Page of Testimony
submitted on 03/07/1975 by her daughter.

And where did her daughter Elsa ZERKOWITZ live? Barely
15 minutes walk >from my current home in England. I
feared Elsa, unmarried, must be dead by now. She also
mentions in her testimony, that the family
lived in Hohe Warte, Vienna - a rather upper-class
neighbourhood. The irony of it is that she lived so
close and I have missed her!

Now I find her on the tree Bob Hanscomb has uploaded.
and she has died in 1994: Father Alexander ZERKOWITZ
6 Apr 1860, Vienna, Austria - 1 Jan 1927 Graz, Austria
Mother: Jeanette ("Jenny") NETTEL 8 Mar 1860, Nachod,
Moravia - 22 Dec 1942, Theresienstadt. Daughter Elsa
[nee NETTEL] was born in 1898.

So please Bob can you correct Nachod which is in
Bohemia next to Grossbock - not Moravia!

And sadly it appears there are no ZERKOWITZ/NETTEL
descendants.

re ZERKOWITZ in Vienna in 1933, there were quite a
few: Andre in the wine business; Luise and Ludwig who
was a wine dealer living in Prinz Eugenstrasse
- a very good address! Perhaps related to Andre?
Theodor: Industrialist; Friederike; Grethe; Kathe - a
director's widow; Marie - knitted goods;
Wally - ladies tailoress. Fritz - a medical doctor.
Leopold - Decorator.

I do find it amazing that two descendants of
NETTEL/ZERKOWITZ of Grossbock/Nachod/Vienna and KOHN
of Grossbock/Vienna, should have ended up living so
close to each other in England and, irony of ironies,
not knowing about each other.

Celia Male [U.K.]

* Rudolf Wlaschek wrote a treatise about it.


Re: Lomes of Skidel #lithuania

Eilat Gordin Levitan
 

On 3/20/06, nina bunin <nina.marie@...> wrote:
Is Skidel in the Grodno
Gubernyia in this SIG or in Belarus? My grandfather considered
himself a Litvak.
Skidel is today in Belarus. It was in Poland between 1921- 1939. When
your grandfather was born it was part of the Russian empire ( Poland
and Lithuania were also "Russia" for more then a 100 years, until the
first World war). My mothers' parents were born in Kurenets ( not far
from Skidel) Kurenets was part of the Vilna region until 1939.
A distant cousin of mine told me that when she asked her mother where
she was born ( c 1900) she said; "Kurenets, Russia". She asked her
where she immigrated >from ( c 1925) her mother said; "Kurenets,
Poland".

She asked her where is it on the map? her mother said "Kurenets was in
the Vilna region- look for Vilnius, Lithuania" The daughter said;
"Don't you know what country you are from? The mother refused to talk
about Kurenets after that.

Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Lomes of Skidel #lithuania

Eilat Gordin Levitan
 

On 3/20/06, nina bunin <nina.marie@...> wrote:
Is Skidel in the Grodno
Gubernyia in this SIG or in Belarus? My grandfather considered
himself a Litvak.
Skidel is today in Belarus. It was in Poland between 1921- 1939. When
your grandfather was born it was part of the Russian empire ( Poland
and Lithuania were also "Russia" for more then a 100 years, until the
first World war). My mothers' parents were born in Kurenets ( not far
from Skidel) Kurenets was part of the Vilna region until 1939.
A distant cousin of mine told me that when she asked her mother where
she was born ( c 1900) she said; "Kurenets, Russia". She asked her
where she immigrated >from ( c 1925) her mother said; "Kurenets,
Poland".

She asked her where is it on the map? her mother said "Kurenets was in
the Vilna region- look for Vilnius, Lithuania" The daughter said;
"Don't you know what country you are from? The mother refused to talk
about Kurenets after that.

Eilat Gordin Levitan
Los Angeles


Re: Do you have Napoleon 1812 history? #poland

Dorota <brodzic_dorota@...>
 

subject: Re: Do you have Napoleon 1812 history?

Dear Bialystokers,

There are many of historican books about Napoleon Bonaparte.
I would like to propose you very precious and the best ones.
They are :
" Europe" and - "God Games, the History of Poland " by Norman Davis
Norman Davis is English very talented and objective historian.
You can find off in his books a lots of interesting facts which
can be helpful in understanding of genealogy and the circumstances
of your family live as also you can learn about the culture and art and
geography and political geography of different regions in the history .

Have a nice day.
Dorota Targonska

Ps.At this opportunity I would like to tell my friends I am sorry
to be so long in answering.

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BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland Re:Do you have Napoleon 1812 history? #poland

Dorota <brodzic_dorota@...>
 

subject: Re: Do you have Napoleon 1812 history?

Dear Bialystokers,

There are many of historican books about Napoleon Bonaparte.
I would like to propose you very precious and the best ones.
They are :
" Europe" and - "God Games, the History of Poland " by Norman Davis
Norman Davis is English very talented and objective historian.
You can find off in his books a lots of interesting facts which
can be helpful in understanding of genealogy and the circumstances
of your family live as also you can learn about the culture and art and
geography and political geography of different regions in the history .

Have a nice day.
Dorota Targonska

Ps.At this opportunity I would like to tell my friends I am sorry
to be so long in answering.

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replies, we are publishing this message as a one-time informational
post because it may be of general interest. It will not be the
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Re; Do you have a Napoleon 1812 history #poland

Dorota <brodzic_dorota@...>
 

subject: Do you have a Napoleon 1812 history?

Hello,
It is my addition to Nancy Holden's information.

There are many of historican books about Napoleon Bonaparte.
I would like to propose you very precious and the best ones.
They are :
" Europe" and - "God Games, the History of Poland " by Norman Davis
Norman Davis is English very talented and objective historian.

You can find off in his books a lots of interesting facts which
can be helpful in understanding of genealogy and the circumstances
of your family live as also you can learn about the culture and art and
geography and political geography of different regions in the history .

Have a nice day.
Dorota Targonska

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Although Nancy Holden's message asked for private
replies, we are publishing this post because it may be of general
interest. This is a one-time informational post and will not be
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historian Norman Davies.


FRENKEL in Warsaw #poland

Tova Jaffe <tovaj@...>
 

I just received some information about my FRENKEL family >from Warsaw and I
don't know how to make use of it. (This is a family that was wiped out in
the Holocaust except for my father-in-law, who shared little information.)

- My father-in-law was born in 1911 at home on Leshno Street and then lived
in on Meelah Street.
- The family davened at the Reichmann shul.
- His father was a Vurka chasid. Family was also associated with Ger
chasidim -- but may have been >from the mother's side.

Any ideas?

Thank you.

Tova Jaffe
Washington DC


JRI Poland #Poland Re; Do you have a Napoleon 1812 history #poland

Dorota <brodzic_dorota@...>
 

subject: Do you have a Napoleon 1812 history?

Hello,
It is my addition to Nancy Holden's information.

There are many of historican books about Napoleon Bonaparte.
I would like to propose you very precious and the best ones.
They are :
" Europe" and - "God Games, the History of Poland " by Norman Davis
Norman Davis is English very talented and objective historian.

You can find off in his books a lots of interesting facts which
can be helpful in understanding of genealogy and the circumstances
of your family live as also you can learn about the culture and art and
geography and political geography of different regions in the history .

Have a nice day.
Dorota Targonska

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Although Nancy Holden's message asked for private
replies, we are publishing this post because it may be of general
interest. This is a one-time informational post and will not be
the beginning of a thread about either Napoleon or the books of
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JRI Poland #Poland FRENKEL in Warsaw #poland

Tova Jaffe <tovaj@...>
 

I just received some information about my FRENKEL family >from Warsaw and I
don't know how to make use of it. (This is a family that was wiped out in
the Holocaust except for my father-in-law, who shared little information.)

- My father-in-law was born in 1911 at home on Leshno Street and then lived
in on Meelah Street.
- The family davened at the Reichmann shul.
- His father was a Vurka chasid. Family was also associated with Ger
chasidim -- but may have been >from the mother's side.

Any ideas?

Thank you.

Tova Jaffe
Washington DC


Re: Census deciphering #general

Mark Jacobson
 

Aaron M Fink writes: I need help deciphering a 1900
census, please:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7665

Celia Male asked about this page, >from the 1900 US
Census, whether this was a standard coding and how to
interpret it.
These were codes written in colored pencil onto the
original census pages by tabulators, compiling census
statistics for the government. This was not a part of
the acutal census enumeration process. The colors from
the pencils, which were supposed to show that they
were not part of the original census, were lost when
the census forms were microfilmed in black & white and
the originals destroyed.
Here is a quote >from Steve Morse from
http://stevemorse.org/census/ocodes.htm discussing the
occupational codes on the 1930 census as part of his
code deciphering tool: "These codes were put on the
census pages well after the enumeration was done, and
therefore provide no additional information. However,
sometimes knowing the code can help you determine the
occupation in cases where the quality of the microfilm
is poor or the handwriting of the enumerator is
difficult to read."
Here is the coding for the 1900 census >from IPUMS for
the occupational codes:
http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa/volii/90occup.html
The codes over the name are other coding which doesn't
appear to have any significance at this point.

Mark Jacobson
Boca Raton, FL

DOGULOV/DOVGALEVSKY - Belaya Tserkov/Kiev Ukraine;
COHEN/KANA/KAHAN - Tripolye, Ukraine;
JACOBSON - Polotsk, Belarus; COBLENTZ - Polotsk, Belarus;
KAMERMAN - Drohobycz, Galicia; KOPPEL - Stebnik/Drohobycz, Galicia;
JACOBI - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia; ROTHLEIN - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia;
TUCHFELD - Rzeszow/Stryj/Lvov, Galicia; GOLDSTEIN - Ranizow, Galicia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Census deciphering #general

Mark Jacobson
 

Aaron M Fink writes: I need help deciphering a 1900
census, please:
http://data.jewishgen.org/viewmate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=7665

Celia Male asked about this page, >from the 1900 US
Census, whether this was a standard coding and how to
interpret it.
These were codes written in colored pencil onto the
original census pages by tabulators, compiling census
statistics for the government. This was not a part of
the acutal census enumeration process. The colors from
the pencils, which were supposed to show that they
were not part of the original census, were lost when
the census forms were microfilmed in black & white and
the originals destroyed.
Here is a quote >from Steve Morse from
http://stevemorse.org/census/ocodes.htm discussing the
occupational codes on the 1930 census as part of his
code deciphering tool: "These codes were put on the
census pages well after the enumeration was done, and
therefore provide no additional information. However,
sometimes knowing the code can help you determine the
occupation in cases where the quality of the microfilm
is poor or the handwriting of the enumerator is
difficult to read."
Here is the coding for the 1900 census >from IPUMS for
the occupational codes:
http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa/volii/90occup.html
The codes over the name are other coding which doesn't
appear to have any significance at this point.

Mark Jacobson
Boca Raton, FL

DOGULOV/DOVGALEVSKY - Belaya Tserkov/Kiev Ukraine;
COHEN/KANA/KAHAN - Tripolye, Ukraine;
JACOBSON - Polotsk, Belarus; COBLENTZ - Polotsk, Belarus;
KAMERMAN - Drohobycz, Galicia; KOPPEL - Stebnik/Drohobycz, Galicia;
JACOBI - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia; ROTHLEIN - Stratyn/Rohatyn, Galicia;
TUCHFELD - Rzeszow/Stryj/Lvov, Galicia; GOLDSTEIN - Ranizow, Galicia


WEITZMAN and SACKS Families of NY #general

Linda Shefler <linsilv@...>
 

Today is my day for throwing out bits and pieces of information I have, in
the hope that something rings a bell for someone. The following is all
that's remembered about these families; even the dates aren't known (though
I assume we're talking >from the 40s to the 50s).

Yohevet/Ethel and Rucha Leah were sisters. Their last name was either
WEITZMAN or SACKS (exact spelling of both names is unsure).
Yohevet/Ethel had a grocery store in Brownsville.
Rucha Leah was blind and was killed crossing a street. She might have been
married to Louis SACKS and maybe had 2 daughters and a son.
Ethel probably had 3 sons and a daughter.

These families are somehow related to my ROSENBLATT family and I would very
much like to reconnect them. If anyone knows anything about these families,
I would greatly appreciate hearing >from you. Please respond privately.

Thank you very much.

All the best,
Linda Silverman Shefler
Cary, NC
linsilv@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen WEITZMAN and SACKS Families of NY #general

Linda Shefler <linsilv@...>
 

Today is my day for throwing out bits and pieces of information I have, in
the hope that something rings a bell for someone. The following is all
that's remembered about these families; even the dates aren't known (though
I assume we're talking >from the 40s to the 50s).

Yohevet/Ethel and Rucha Leah were sisters. Their last name was either
WEITZMAN or SACKS (exact spelling of both names is unsure).
Yohevet/Ethel had a grocery store in Brownsville.
Rucha Leah was blind and was killed crossing a street. She might have been
married to Louis SACKS and maybe had 2 daughters and a son.
Ethel probably had 3 sons and a daughter.

These families are somehow related to my ROSENBLATT family and I would very
much like to reconnect them. If anyone knows anything about these families,
I would greatly appreciate hearing >from you. Please respond privately.

Thank you very much.

All the best,
Linda Silverman Shefler
Cary, NC
linsilv@...