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Signing off messages #general

Irv Kramer <irvdk@...>
 

Dear Group,
May I again request that at the end of your messages, and your requests
for help that you end the message in the following manner:

Irv Kramer
irvdk@...

Researching:
PIATIGORSKY, KRAMER:Tetiyev to Cleveland, Ohio
STEIN, GREENBERG:Sokolya, Rozyszcze, Wolhynien, to Toledo, Ohio
STEIN, NOSACZ: Skole (Sokolia) Sohny, Wolhynien to Pittsburgh, PA

It certainly helps when in a hurry.
Thanks


Looking for CRAMER Family in Australia #general

Jacqueline DAVIS <jdavis318@...>
 

I am looking for a any decendendants of Leah YUDOLOVITCH and Barry CRAMER.
They had one son Leon, who if he is still alive would probably be in his
80's. Barry Cramer was not Jewish.

They emigrated to Australia >from Leeds, England.

Unfortunately that is all the information I have so any help as to where I
can get started would be greatly appreciated.

Jacqueline Davis
Ottawa, Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Signing off messages #general

Irv Kramer <irvdk@...>
 

Dear Group,
May I again request that at the end of your messages, and your requests
for help that you end the message in the following manner:

Irv Kramer
irvdk@...

Researching:
PIATIGORSKY, KRAMER:Tetiyev to Cleveland, Ohio
STEIN, GREENBERG:Sokolya, Rozyszcze, Wolhynien, to Toledo, Ohio
STEIN, NOSACZ: Skole (Sokolia) Sohny, Wolhynien to Pittsburgh, PA

It certainly helps when in a hurry.
Thanks


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for CRAMER Family in Australia #general

Jacqueline DAVIS <jdavis318@...>
 

I am looking for a any decendendants of Leah YUDOLOVITCH and Barry CRAMER.
They had one son Leon, who if he is still alive would probably be in his
80's. Barry Cramer was not Jewish.

They emigrated to Australia >from Leeds, England.

Unfortunately that is all the information I have so any help as to where I
can get started would be greatly appreciated.

Jacqueline Davis
Ottawa, Canada


Seeking SCHWAB/ GUTMANN/GOODMAN descendants #usa

Susan Edel
 

I am looking for the descendants of Louis and Bertha (nee SCHWAB) GUTMANN or
GOODMAN who came >from Germany to Cincinnati, Ohio. I believe they had 6
children, Emma who married ? Marks and had a son Clarence, David, Elias,
Blanche, Salomon and Lillian. Bertha was born in Burgpreppach, Bavaria,
Germany and was the sister of my great grandfather, Hermann SCHWAB. At one
point it seems that her siblings Fanny, Moses and Abraham all lived with her
and her husband. There was another sister Ida SCHWAB who may have arrived
in New York in July 1869 with her brother Moses. I do not know what
happened to Ida.

If anyone can please help me trace the families of Bertha and Louis GOODMAN,
or of Ida SCHWAB I would be very grateful (I have managed to trace the
descendants of Abraham and Moses SCHWAB still in Cincinnati).

Susan EDEL, Petach Tikva, Israel <susan@...>


Early American SIG #USA Seeking SCHWAB/ GUTMANN/GOODMAN descendants #usa

Susan Edel
 

I am looking for the descendants of Louis and Bertha (nee SCHWAB) GUTMANN or
GOODMAN who came >from Germany to Cincinnati, Ohio. I believe they had 6
children, Emma who married ? Marks and had a son Clarence, David, Elias,
Blanche, Salomon and Lillian. Bertha was born in Burgpreppach, Bavaria,
Germany and was the sister of my great grandfather, Hermann SCHWAB. At one
point it seems that her siblings Fanny, Moses and Abraham all lived with her
and her husband. There was another sister Ida SCHWAB who may have arrived
in New York in July 1869 with her brother Moses. I do not know what
happened to Ida.

If anyone can please help me trace the families of Bertha and Louis GOODMAN,
or of Ida SCHWAB I would be very grateful (I have managed to trace the
descendants of Abraham and Moses SCHWAB still in Cincinnati).

Susan EDEL, Petach Tikva, Israel <susan@...>


Seeking SCHWAB/GUTMANN/GOODMAN #germany

Susan Edel
 

I am looking for the descendants of Louis and Bertha (nee SCHWAB) GUTMANN or
GOODMAN who came >from Germany to Cincinnati, Ohio. I believe they had 6
children, Emma who married ? Marks and had a son Clarence, David, Elias,
Blanche, Salomon and Lillian. Bertha was born in Burgpreppach, Bavaria,
Germany and was the sister of my great grandfather, Hermann SCHWAB. At one
point it seems that her siblings Fanny, Moses and Abraham all lived with her
and her husband. There was another sister Ida SCHWAB who may have arrived in New
York in July 1869 with her brother Moses. I do not know what happened to Ida.

If anyone can please help me trace the families of Bertha and Louis GOODMAN,
or of Ida SCHWAB I would be very grateful (I have managed to trace the
descendants of Abraham and Moses SCHWAB still in Cincinnati).

Susan EDEL, Petach Tikva, Israel <susan@...>


German SIG #Germany Seeking SCHWAB/GUTMANN/GOODMAN #germany

Susan Edel
 

I am looking for the descendants of Louis and Bertha (nee SCHWAB) GUTMANN or
GOODMAN who came >from Germany to Cincinnati, Ohio. I believe they had 6
children, Emma who married ? Marks and had a son Clarence, David, Elias,
Blanche, Salomon and Lillian. Bertha was born in Burgpreppach, Bavaria,
Germany and was the sister of my great grandfather, Hermann SCHWAB. At one
point it seems that her siblings Fanny, Moses and Abraham all lived with her
and her husband. There was another sister Ida SCHWAB who may have arrived in New
York in July 1869 with her brother Moses. I do not know what happened to Ida.

If anyone can please help me trace the families of Bertha and Louis GOODMAN,
or of Ida SCHWAB I would be very grateful (I have managed to trace the
descendants of Abraham and Moses SCHWAB still in Cincinnati).

Susan EDEL, Petach Tikva, Israel <susan@...>


Re: New York Public Schools #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

For information about old school records, look at the Department of Education
entry in the Manhattan section of
http://www.jgsny2006.org/research.cfm

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY

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Subject: New York Public Schools
From: Marilyn Silva <benma@...>
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:09:11 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
X-Message-Number: 11

I am searching for public schools in New York. My grandmother Yetta GRZEBIEN
arrived in the U.S. in 1906 and was meeting her husband at 192 Stanton St., NY.
She had with her 3 children, one of which was 6 years old - of school age. By
the 1910 Federal census they were living at 226 East 98th St., NY and she had 2
children old enough to attend school.
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: New York Public Schools #general

Joy Rich <joyrichny@...>
 

For information about old school records, look at the Department of Education
entry in the Manhattan section of
http://www.jgsny2006.org/research.cfm

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY

------
Subject: New York Public Schools
From: Marilyn Silva <benma@...>
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:09:11 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
X-Message-Number: 11

I am searching for public schools in New York. My grandmother Yetta GRZEBIEN
arrived in the U.S. in 1906 and was meeting her husband at 192 Stanton St., NY.
She had with her 3 children, one of which was 6 years old - of school age. By
the 1910 Federal census they were living at 226 East 98th St., NY and she had 2
children old enough to attend school.
------


Jewish Categories & Family Relations #general

David Kravitz
 

Alan Weiser asked:
Is there a proper term or phrase related to Cohen, Levy and Israel, which I
call categories? I wish to do an Internet search on the subject.
The terms Cohen, Levy and Israel are categories in themselves. Cohens are
the direct descendants of Aaron, Levites the direct descendants of Moses and
Israelites the rest.
DNA testing has shown that modern-day Cohenim share a common gene. The
Cohenim were the priests in the temple, the Levites their assistants. Today,
when the priests prepare themselves to bless the congregation in a
synagogue, the Levites accompany them and wash their hands.

Is it a fact that if one family is say a Levy and the other is an Israel
that there could be no relationship between these two families?
There is no reason that the daughter of a Cohen might not marry the son of a
Levite creating a connection. Thus their son would be a Cohen but an uncle
or first cousin might be a Levite. Two full brothers could not be different
categories.

I have been told that females do not have an assigned category. That is, a
category is passed >from fathers to sons only. Is that true?
If females do not have an assigned category then sons of Jewish marriages
always have the category of the father even if the mother came >from a Cohen
family. Is that true?
Yes that is true. However if a woman is the daughter of a Cohen but married
to an Israelite, their first child, if a boy, would not have a pidyan haben,
(redemption of the first-born).

If a Jewish man was never told his category, what category can he use if
any?
It is unlikely in an orthodox background as the Hebrew name of a Cohen or
Levy carries the suffix Hacohen or Halevy. There are Jews with the surname
Cohen or Levy who are Israelites. In the total absence of a category after
careful genealogical research by rabbis if necessary, they would be forced
to take the Israelite title. It is quite remarkable how resourceful rabbis
can be.

Assuming these categories were developed *after* the creation of man, how
were they originally assigned?
The assignment is as stated above, direct descendants of Aaron and Moses.
They did not exist in the times of Abraham, Isaac or Jacob.

Are there any records in which the person's category might be found?
Birth, marriage, death, synagogue membership, e.g.?
As stated above, the title forms part of a man’s name thus any official
records such as synagogue membership records, ketubas (marriage
certificates) or tombstones will carry the title. I would assume that here
in Israel, being a Jewish state with Jewish bureaucracy, birth and death
certificates would also identify a Cohen or Levy.

All this poses a thought that has crossed my mind many times. There appear
to be many Cohenim but a shortage of Levites. Suppose an itinerant Jew in
eastern Europe in the 18th or 19th century travels one >from shtetl to
another, many miles away. He finds the new community short of a Cohen or
Levy. Although an Israelite, he tells this new community that he is a Cohen
or Levy. Who would actually know in the absence of surnames?

David Kravitz
Netanya, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Categories & Family Relations #general

David Kravitz
 

Alan Weiser asked:
Is there a proper term or phrase related to Cohen, Levy and Israel, which I
call categories? I wish to do an Internet search on the subject.
The terms Cohen, Levy and Israel are categories in themselves. Cohens are
the direct descendants of Aaron, Levites the direct descendants of Moses and
Israelites the rest.
DNA testing has shown that modern-day Cohenim share a common gene. The
Cohenim were the priests in the temple, the Levites their assistants. Today,
when the priests prepare themselves to bless the congregation in a
synagogue, the Levites accompany them and wash their hands.

Is it a fact that if one family is say a Levy and the other is an Israel
that there could be no relationship between these two families?
There is no reason that the daughter of a Cohen might not marry the son of a
Levite creating a connection. Thus their son would be a Cohen but an uncle
or first cousin might be a Levite. Two full brothers could not be different
categories.

I have been told that females do not have an assigned category. That is, a
category is passed >from fathers to sons only. Is that true?
If females do not have an assigned category then sons of Jewish marriages
always have the category of the father even if the mother came >from a Cohen
family. Is that true?
Yes that is true. However if a woman is the daughter of a Cohen but married
to an Israelite, their first child, if a boy, would not have a pidyan haben,
(redemption of the first-born).

If a Jewish man was never told his category, what category can he use if
any?
It is unlikely in an orthodox background as the Hebrew name of a Cohen or
Levy carries the suffix Hacohen or Halevy. There are Jews with the surname
Cohen or Levy who are Israelites. In the total absence of a category after
careful genealogical research by rabbis if necessary, they would be forced
to take the Israelite title. It is quite remarkable how resourceful rabbis
can be.

Assuming these categories were developed *after* the creation of man, how
were they originally assigned?
The assignment is as stated above, direct descendants of Aaron and Moses.
They did not exist in the times of Abraham, Isaac or Jacob.

Are there any records in which the person's category might be found?
Birth, marriage, death, synagogue membership, e.g.?
As stated above, the title forms part of a man’s name thus any official
records such as synagogue membership records, ketubas (marriage
certificates) or tombstones will carry the title. I would assume that here
in Israel, being a Jewish state with Jewish bureaucracy, birth and death
certificates would also identify a Cohen or Levy.

All this poses a thought that has crossed my mind many times. There appear
to be many Cohenim but a shortage of Levites. Suppose an itinerant Jew in
eastern Europe in the 18th or 19th century travels one >from shtetl to
another, many miles away. He finds the new community short of a Cohen or
Levy. Although an Israelite, he tells this new community that he is a Cohen
or Levy. Who would actually know in the absence of surnames?

David Kravitz
Netanya, Israel


Mervyn LEVY #general

Susan <susanplouffe@...>
 

I am wondering if anyone on the list has a pedigree of Mervyn LEVY,
artist/writer, friend of Dylan Thomas of Swansea, Wales 1915-1996. I have
not been able to establish if he is or is not related to my Levy family. I
am interested in the line of his father, Louis Levy. I do have information
about his mother Have RUBENSTEIN, who is >from an area in Lithuania fairly
close to where my family is from.
Thank you in advance,

Susan Plouffe
Vancouver, Canada
Searching:
LIVER/BENJAMIN: Zagare, Kaunas, Lithuania
LEVI/LEVY/LEVEY/LEVER: Wales
Burton-Upon-Trent, Southport, Bournemouth, England
Glasgow, Scotland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mervyn LEVY #general

Susan <susanplouffe@...>
 

I am wondering if anyone on the list has a pedigree of Mervyn LEVY,
artist/writer, friend of Dylan Thomas of Swansea, Wales 1915-1996. I have
not been able to establish if he is or is not related to my Levy family. I
am interested in the line of his father, Louis Levy. I do have information
about his mother Have RUBENSTEIN, who is >from an area in Lithuania fairly
close to where my family is from.
Thank you in advance,

Susan Plouffe
Vancouver, Canada
Searching:
LIVER/BENJAMIN: Zagare, Kaunas, Lithuania
LEVI/LEVY/LEVEY/LEVER: Wales
Burton-Upon-Trent, Southport, Bournemouth, England
Glasgow, Scotland


Gild in San Diego #general

Neil@...
 

Looking to make contact with an old South African scouting friend
Anthony Guild
San Diego, CA 92129

Thanks
Neil Rosenstein
Elizabeth, N.J.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Gild in San Diego #general

Neil@...
 

Looking to make contact with an old South African scouting friend
Anthony Guild
San Diego, CA 92129

Thanks
Neil Rosenstein
Elizabeth, N.J.


Re: City Name: Kurosvenky, Poland #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Michael Trapunsky" wrote

Hi all,

Does anyone know what city Kurosvenky, Poland would be today? I am trying
to research a WAJSWOL family that came >from there.
Michael,

Town correct name is Kurozweki, pron. [kooh roh zve nkee], prior to WWII in
Stopnica district, Kielce Province.

Town location: 5035 2106, about 3 miles NW >from town Staszow.

Jewish population prior to WWII: 224 souls (22% of the total residents).
H. Wajswol is listed as butcher in this town (Re: 1929 Poland Business
Directory)

There are 6 entries for town Kurozweki in JGFF database.

As you searching for Wajswol ancestors throug JRI-P database, please review
Kielce and Radom Guberniyas, since the border between those administration
regions was close to Kurozweki, and shtetl's records are located in Stopnica
(Kielce) and in Staszow (Radom). Other Wajswols have been concentarting in
Lodz region (Piotrkow Guberniya).

JRI-P Kurozweki surnames list:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/kurozweki_surn.htm
Refer also to Staszow Yzkor Book:
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/staszow/staszow.html#TOC

You should also join Kielce-Radom SIG, the oldest and largest SIG in
JewishGen.

Good luck with your search
--
Regards,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: City Name: Kurosvenky, Poland #general

Alexander Sharon
 

"Michael Trapunsky" wrote

Hi all,

Does anyone know what city Kurosvenky, Poland would be today? I am trying
to research a WAJSWOL family that came >from there.
Michael,

Town correct name is Kurozweki, pron. [kooh roh zve nkee], prior to WWII in
Stopnica district, Kielce Province.

Town location: 5035 2106, about 3 miles NW >from town Staszow.

Jewish population prior to WWII: 224 souls (22% of the total residents).
H. Wajswol is listed as butcher in this town (Re: 1929 Poland Business
Directory)

There are 6 entries for town Kurozweki in JGFF database.

As you searching for Wajswol ancestors throug JRI-P database, please review
Kielce and Radom Guberniyas, since the border between those administration
regions was close to Kurozweki, and shtetl's records are located in Stopnica
(Kielce) and in Staszow (Radom). Other Wajswols have been concentarting in
Lodz region (Piotrkow Guberniya).

JRI-P Kurozweki surnames list:

http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/kurozweki_surn.htm
Refer also to Staszow Yzkor Book:
http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/staszow/staszow.html#TOC

You should also join Kielce-Radom SIG, the oldest and largest SIG in
JewishGen.

Good luck with your search
--
Regards,

Alexander Sharon
JGFF editor


Re: Jewish Categories & Family Relations #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

"David Kravitz" <david_kravitz@...> wrote

DNA testing has shown that modern-day Cohenim share a common gene. >
Actually, it shows that a particular genetic marker (not a gene) is
significantly more common among them than the Jewish population in general.
It does *not* show that all Cohenim have that marker, or that all who have the
marker are Cohenim.

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish Categories & Family Relations #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

"David Kravitz" <david_kravitz@...> wrote

DNA testing has shown that modern-day Cohenim share a common gene. >
Actually, it shows that a particular genetic marker (not a gene) is
significantly more common among them than the Jewish population in general.
It does *not* show that all Cohenim have that marker, or that all who have the
marker are Cohenim.

--
Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY