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Could Weiss also be Weissenstein? #austria-czech

Pam <pam@...>
 

I have been search for the ancestors with the surname
Schallom/Schollum/Schalom and have stumbled across the following info due to
the generosity of another researcher.

Date of wedding: 26th Apr 1842.
Place of wedding: Stankov - town.
Bridegroom: SCHALOM Johann, son of Christoph SCHALOM half-farmer
from Merklin # 35 and of Maria.
26 years old, [ie born around 1816] single, catholic religion.
Bride: Maria WEISS, legitimate daughter of Georg WEISS burger in
Stankov-town # 25 and of Barbara daughter of Thomas ENTELWEBER
estate-owner in Deutschreichenau # 110, manor Hradec and of
Theresia nee Huter >from Pucherdorf. ?? years old, single, catholic

I've been trying to track down some info >from these various towns and even
though they are listed as 'catholic' ... I can't help thinking that the name
SCHALOM and WEISS must go back to Jewish ancestory.

Would anyone have any good sites that would give info on the above towns or
have any info in their files that might relate to these names? When I saw
the post about the 4 brothers of Weis(s)enstein...it just got me wondering!

thanks

~Pam Frierdich-Staley~
Warrenton, MO
http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com
http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com
Looking for surnames of Michalek (Michael/eal), Schallom, Steppig, Mees,
Reis, Frierdich, Bangert, Diesel, Hatter, Hoerter, Kiefer, Rapp, Mentel,
Shellhorn,
Staley, Weber, Thoele, Mitchell, Probst

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Could Weiss also be Weissenstein? #austria-czech

Pam <pam@...>
 

I have been search for the ancestors with the surname
Schallom/Schollum/Schalom and have stumbled across the following info due to
the generosity of another researcher.

Date of wedding: 26th Apr 1842.
Place of wedding: Stankov - town.
Bridegroom: SCHALOM Johann, son of Christoph SCHALOM half-farmer
from Merklin # 35 and of Maria.
26 years old, [ie born around 1816] single, catholic religion.
Bride: Maria WEISS, legitimate daughter of Georg WEISS burger in
Stankov-town # 25 and of Barbara daughter of Thomas ENTELWEBER
estate-owner in Deutschreichenau # 110, manor Hradec and of
Theresia nee Huter >from Pucherdorf. ?? years old, single, catholic

I've been trying to track down some info >from these various towns and even
though they are listed as 'catholic' ... I can't help thinking that the name
SCHALOM and WEISS must go back to Jewish ancestory.

Would anyone have any good sites that would give info on the above towns or
have any info in their files that might relate to these names? When I saw
the post about the 4 brothers of Weis(s)enstein...it just got me wondering!

thanks

~Pam Frierdich-Staley~
Warrenton, MO
http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com
http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com
Looking for surnames of Michalek (Michael/eal), Schallom, Steppig, Mees,
Reis, Frierdich, Bangert, Diesel, Hatter, Hoerter, Kiefer, Rapp, Mentel,
Shellhorn,
Staley, Weber, Thoele, Mitchell, Probst

Re: Questions on Jewish Categories & Family Relations #general

Nachum Tuchman
 

Hi,

Perhaps I can explain the category question with a theoretical genealogy.

Say Sam Cohen, a Cohen marries a non Jew. Their son, Bob, is not
Jewish. Therefore, he does not have a category. Now, let's say that
Bob Cohen, not a Cohen, nor Jewish, marries a Jewish woman. Their son
John is now Jewish. His last name is Cohen, but since his father is
not a Cohen, neither is he. He will be classified as an Israel, as
will all of his Jewish descendants, on the male line, forever.

Question 2: Most likely two males with the same last name, one a
Cohen, the other not, would not be related, unless if the other lost
the tradition that he is a Cohen. So, you can't rule out a possible
relationship. Also, one may have had an ancestor who took his wife's
last name, thereby changing the 'category', even though his children
and his wife's nieces and nephews are related.

Question 3+4: That is true. Categories are male only handed down
from father to son. However, women who are daughters of a Cohen or
Levy are exempt >from redeeming their first born, if it's a son, just
as Cohen or Levy fathers are. In the days of the Temple when 'Truma'
(approximately 2% of produce) was given to a Cohen, and could only be
eaten by Cohanim, which included unmarried daughters. Married
daughters could only eat Truma if they married a Cohen.

Question 5: If one wasn't told, he is an Israel. One can only be a
Cohen or Levy if he knows that his father is, or can prove it. I have
a friend that found his great aunt's grave in Prussia, showing her to
be the daughter of a Levy. Her brother, my friends father's father's
father (or something like that) would have to be a Levy, as long as
both he, the gggf and the sister had the same father. But other than
being given 5 Shekels (which is usually returned to the father) for
redeeming a first born son, there's not much to gain >from being a
Cohen. To take on the title of Levy, you get to wash the hands of the
Cohanim when they say the Priestly blessing in shul.

Question 6: These categories began in the desert after the exile from
Egypt, which we will be remembering in a couple of weeks when we
celebrate Pessach (Passover). The descendants of Levy, son of Jacob
is the father of Leviim. Aaron, >from the family of Levy, became the
first priest. His direct male descendants are Cohanim.

Question 7: If a person is a Cohen or Levy (or the daughter of a
Cohen or Levy), and the family knows it, it should be etched in stone.
The grave stone that is.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel
~~~~~~~~~~

On 3/26/06, Alan Weiser <alanboy@...> wrote:
**
Recently a gentleman with the same surname as mine inquired of me
whether I was a Cohen, Levy, or Israel. When I replied I was an
Israel, he responded there would be no family relationship because he
was a Levy.

Questions
1. Is there a proper term or phrase related to Cohen, Levy and
Israel, which I call categories? I wish to do an Internet search on
the subject.
2. Is it a fact that if one family is say a Levy and the other is
an Israel that there could be no relationship between these two
families?
3. I have been told that females do not have an assigned category.
That is, a category is passed >from fathers to sons only. Is that
true?
4. If females do not have an assigned category then sons of Jewish
marriages always have the category of the father even if the mother
came >from a Cohen family. Is that true?
5. If a Jewish man was never told his category, what category can
he use if any?
6. Assuming these categories were developed *after* the creation of
man, how were they originally assigned?
7. Are there any records in which the person's category might be
found? Birth, marriage, death, synagogue membership, e.g.?

Searching:
TUCHMAN / KLARMAN / ASPIS - Busko-Zdroj Poland, Kielce Gubernia
LIEBERMAN/KALUSHEWICZ / ZYSSMAN/TZIGUTCH - Lowicz Poland
RAIDER / REJDER / GINSBERG - Soly/Smorgon Belarus
ROSINSKY / BAYLETT / PAILET / BERNSTEIN - London
KIWI - Samter, Posen/Berlin BUETOW - Zeitz/Berlin

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Questions on Jewish Categories & Family Relations #general

Nachum Tuchman
 

Hi,

Perhaps I can explain the category question with a theoretical genealogy.

Say Sam Cohen, a Cohen marries a non Jew. Their son, Bob, is not
Jewish. Therefore, he does not have a category. Now, let's say that
Bob Cohen, not a Cohen, nor Jewish, marries a Jewish woman. Their son
John is now Jewish. His last name is Cohen, but since his father is
not a Cohen, neither is he. He will be classified as an Israel, as
will all of his Jewish descendants, on the male line, forever.

Question 2: Most likely two males with the same last name, one a
Cohen, the other not, would not be related, unless if the other lost
the tradition that he is a Cohen. So, you can't rule out a possible
relationship. Also, one may have had an ancestor who took his wife's
last name, thereby changing the 'category', even though his children
and his wife's nieces and nephews are related.

Question 3+4: That is true. Categories are male only handed down
from father to son. However, women who are daughters of a Cohen or
Levy are exempt >from redeeming their first born, if it's a son, just
as Cohen or Levy fathers are. In the days of the Temple when 'Truma'
(approximately 2% of produce) was given to a Cohen, and could only be
eaten by Cohanim, which included unmarried daughters. Married
daughters could only eat Truma if they married a Cohen.

Question 5: If one wasn't told, he is an Israel. One can only be a
Cohen or Levy if he knows that his father is, or can prove it. I have
a friend that found his great aunt's grave in Prussia, showing her to
be the daughter of a Levy. Her brother, my friends father's father's
father (or something like that) would have to be a Levy, as long as
both he, the gggf and the sister had the same father. But other than
being given 5 Shekels (which is usually returned to the father) for
redeeming a first born son, there's not much to gain >from being a
Cohen. To take on the title of Levy, you get to wash the hands of the
Cohanim when they say the Priestly blessing in shul.

Question 6: These categories began in the desert after the exile from
Egypt, which we will be remembering in a couple of weeks when we
celebrate Pessach (Passover). The descendants of Levy, son of Jacob
is the father of Leviim. Aaron, >from the family of Levy, became the
first priest. His direct male descendants are Cohanim.

Question 7: If a person is a Cohen or Levy (or the daughter of a
Cohen or Levy), and the family knows it, it should be etched in stone.
The grave stone that is.

Nachum Tuchman
Tekoa, Israel
~~~~~~~~~~

On 3/26/06, Alan Weiser <alanboy@...> wrote:
**
Recently a gentleman with the same surname as mine inquired of me
whether I was a Cohen, Levy, or Israel. When I replied I was an
Israel, he responded there would be no family relationship because he
was a Levy.

Questions
1. Is there a proper term or phrase related to Cohen, Levy and
Israel, which I call categories? I wish to do an Internet search on
the subject.
2. Is it a fact that if one family is say a Levy and the other is
an Israel that there could be no relationship between these two
families?
3. I have been told that females do not have an assigned category.
That is, a category is passed >from fathers to sons only. Is that
true?
4. If females do not have an assigned category then sons of Jewish
marriages always have the category of the father even if the mother
came >from a Cohen family. Is that true?
5. If a Jewish man was never told his category, what category can
he use if any?
6. Assuming these categories were developed *after* the creation of
man, how were they originally assigned?
7. Are there any records in which the person's category might be
found? Birth, marriage, death, synagogue membership, e.g.?

Searching:
TUCHMAN / KLARMAN / ASPIS - Busko-Zdroj Poland, Kielce Gubernia
LIEBERMAN/KALUSHEWICZ / ZYSSMAN/TZIGUTCH - Lowicz Poland
RAIDER / REJDER / GINSBERG - Soly/Smorgon Belarus
ROSINSKY / BAYLETT / PAILET / BERNSTEIN - London
KIWI - Samter, Posen/Berlin BUETOW - Zeitz/Berlin

Photos, Maps of Lowicz, Wyszogrod, and Drobin #general

Seth J. Bookey <sethbook@...>
 

Hello all,

I sent out a posting about my cousin's photos on the web, but didn't
provide a link.

If you go to http://homepage.mac.com/sethbook/poland you can see all the
photos my cousin took in the three Shtetls, plus photos of Warsaw, and
some maps and coats of arms of the towns.

As of right now, the tombstones in the Lowicz Cemetery page are not
indexed, but if you choose slideshow and then click on the image in the
slideshow, you can see the tombsones. Some are harder to read than others,
and some stones were damaged and seemingly rebuilt. These are not
necessarily all the stones in the cemetery.

--Seth

Seth J. Bookey
New York City
sethbook@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Photos, Maps of Lowicz, Wyszogrod, and Drobin #general

Seth J. Bookey <sethbook@...>
 

Hello all,

I sent out a posting about my cousin's photos on the web, but didn't
provide a link.

If you go to http://homepage.mac.com/sethbook/poland you can see all the
photos my cousin took in the three Shtetls, plus photos of Warsaw, and
some maps and coats of arms of the towns.

As of right now, the tombstones in the Lowicz Cemetery page are not
indexed, but if you choose slideshow and then click on the image in the
slideshow, you can see the tombsones. Some are harder to read than others,
and some stones were damaged and seemingly rebuilt. These are not
necessarily all the stones in the cemetery.

--Seth

Seth J. Bookey
New York City
sethbook@...

SSDI question #romania

Kaye Paletz <kpaletz@...>
 

On the social security death index, a possible ancestor has her last
residentce as U.S. Consultate (Bucharest) What does this mean and how
can I get further information?
Kaye Paletz
Churchville, Pa

Romania SIG #Romania SSDI question #romania

Kaye Paletz <kpaletz@...>
 

On the social security death index, a possible ancestor has her last
residentce as U.S. Consultate (Bucharest) What does this mean and how
can I get further information?
Kaye Paletz
Churchville, Pa

Azikovich - Codman #lithuania

Annette Gueron <menogu59@...>
 

I recently found out that the family Azikovich I was searching for
in the USA changed their name to CODMAN. Yosef or Joseph Codman was
known as Jo. Jo was my G. Uncle. >from Lithuania.

Now I would like to make contact with Jo's son, Murray Codman.
If you know of this family, Please contact me privately.

Annette Gueron (nee Isaacs)

Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Azikovich - Codman #lithuania

Annette Gueron <menogu59@...>
 

I recently found out that the family Azikovich I was searching for
in the USA changed their name to CODMAN. Yosef or Joseph Codman was
known as Jo. Jo was my G. Uncle. >from Lithuania.

Now I would like to make contact with Jo's son, Murray Codman.
If you know of this family, Please contact me privately.

Annette Gueron (nee Isaacs)

Khaimovitch #lithuania

Betty Gardiner <bettygardiner@...>
 

I have recently discovered (with the help of a researcher) that the
original name of my family was KHAIMOVITCH. Do any of my genealogy
friends out there relate to this name? If so, please get into touch
with me.

Betty Gardiner.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Make sure you enter the name in the JewishGen
Family Finder at www.jewishgen.org/jgff. Anyone with family
information, please respond privately.

Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Khaimovitch #lithuania

Betty Gardiner <bettygardiner@...>
 

I have recently discovered (with the help of a researcher) that the
original name of my family was KHAIMOVITCH. Do any of my genealogy
friends out there relate to this name? If so, please get into touch
with me.

Betty Gardiner.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Make sure you enter the name in the JewishGen
Family Finder at www.jewishgen.org/jgff. Anyone with family
information, please respond privately.

Displaced Persons camps in Linz #poland

Rita Nash <rivke@...>
 

I am enquiring on behalf of a friend who needs to establish his
citizenship.

He was born in a DP camp in Linz in 1946 to parents who were both born
in Poland, both of whom have died. He has never seen his birth
certificate and we are wondering how to establish this.

Does he become a citizen of Germany (Linz), a citizen of Poland (his
parents) or a citizen of the country which had control of his particular
camp? He is not sure of the camp's name and it seems there were several
in the Linz area. And who was then and is now responsible for the
record keeping?

All clues gratefully received.

Rita Nash
Sydney
Australia

JRI Poland #Poland Displaced Persons camps in Linz #poland

Rita Nash <rivke@...>
 

I am enquiring on behalf of a friend who needs to establish his
citizenship.

He was born in a DP camp in Linz in 1946 to parents who were both born
in Poland, both of whom have died. He has never seen his birth
certificate and we are wondering how to establish this.

Does he become a citizen of Germany (Linz), a citizen of Poland (his
parents) or a citizen of the country which had control of his particular
camp? He is not sure of the camp's name and it seems there were several
in the Linz area. And who was then and is now responsible for the
record keeping?

All clues gratefully received.

Rita Nash
Sydney
Australia

Re: Yeshiva Esch Tora Riskeve (Ruscova) #rabbinic

Joel Hirsch <jhirsch@...>
 

On 2006.03.26, Renate Bielefeld <renate.bielefeld@...> wrote:

Can anybody tell me more about the Esch Tora (photo on p.14 Yizkor
Book Ruscova as well) and about HaRav KATZ?
Rabbi Avrohom Shlomo KATZ OB'm served as Rabbi and Rosh Yeshivah of
Riskeve and wrote the popular Sefer Orchos Hamishpotim on Choshen
Mishpat, he survived the holocaust and served as the Rabbi of the
Satmar Congregation and Village in Kiryat Yoel Bnie Brak, Israel.

Joel Hirsch
Monroe NY

Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: Yeshiva Esch Tora Riskeve (Ruscova) #rabbinic

Joel Hirsch <jhirsch@...>
 

On 2006.03.26, Renate Bielefeld <renate.bielefeld@...> wrote:

Can anybody tell me more about the Esch Tora (photo on p.14 Yizkor
Book Ruscova as well) and about HaRav KATZ?
Rabbi Avrohom Shlomo KATZ OB'm served as Rabbi and Rosh Yeshivah of
Riskeve and wrote the popular Sefer Orchos Hamishpotim on Choshen
Mishpat, he survived the holocaust and served as the Rabbi of the
Satmar Congregation and Village in Kiryat Yoel Bnie Brak, Israel.

Joel Hirsch
Monroe NY

Rabbi of Nowy Targ (newmarkt) #rabbinic

Joel Hirsch <jhirsch@...>
 

I would like to post a question on the forum, if there is anybody
who has any information on my great-grandfather Rabbi Yaakov Yokel
HIRSCH OB"M who served as Rabbi of Nowy Targ (Nymarkt), and was the
author of a responsa called Birchat Yaakov.

Joel Hirsch

Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Rabbi of Nowy Targ (newmarkt) #rabbinic

Joel Hirsch <jhirsch@...>
 

I would like to post a question on the forum, if there is anybody
who has any information on my great-grandfather Rabbi Yaakov Yokel
HIRSCH OB"M who served as Rabbi of Nowy Targ (Nymarkt), and was the
author of a responsa called Birchat Yaakov.

Joel Hirsch

MaHaRShaL's biography and works #rabbinic

Yosaif Dubovick <ymd000@...>
 

I recently published a sefer >from the MaHaRShaL (Rabbi Shlomo Luria;
his glosses to the Shechita and Bedikos of Rabbi Yaakov Weil) and
currently drafting a biographical sketch.

I wanted to ask the group:

1. for any references, other than Kerem Shlomoh (Horodetzky),
Mashehu LeToldos (Assaf), Elef Margoliot (Wunder), and Dr. Meir
Raffeld's masters and doctoral thesis.

2. In Elef Margoliot there is a facsimile of the MaHaRShaL's shul,
though no reference as to where the picture was first published etc.

3. In Dr. Neil Rosenstein's 'The Lurie Legacy', pg 22, is a
facsimile of a title page of a RaMBaM, having belonged to a Lurie
(in the footnote the book is listed as being in private hands). I
was curious as to the ownership of the RaMaBaM, if it might have
been the MaHaRShaL's, and if there are any glosses on the sides.
(Berliner notes a RaMBaM belonging to the MaHaRShaL's in the city
Sokol with marginal glosses, but was lost in later generations.
c.f. Amudei Shlomoh Avodah Zara, where the MaHaRShaL's cites his
glosses on the RaMBaM)

If anyone might be aware of anything further, feel free to let me
know.

Thanks in advance

Rabbi Yosaif M. Dubovick
Betar Illit, Israel

Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic MaHaRShaL's biography and works #rabbinic

Yosaif Dubovick <ymd000@...>
 

I recently published a sefer >from the MaHaRShaL (Rabbi Shlomo Luria;
his glosses to the Shechita and Bedikos of Rabbi Yaakov Weil) and
currently drafting a biographical sketch.

I wanted to ask the group:

1. for any references, other than Kerem Shlomoh (Horodetzky),
Mashehu LeToldos (Assaf), Elef Margoliot (Wunder), and Dr. Meir
Raffeld's masters and doctoral thesis.

2. In Elef Margoliot there is a facsimile of the MaHaRShaL's shul,
though no reference as to where the picture was first published etc.

3. In Dr. Neil Rosenstein's 'The Lurie Legacy', pg 22, is a
facsimile of a title page of a RaMBaM, having belonged to a Lurie
(in the footnote the book is listed as being in private hands). I
was curious as to the ownership of the RaMaBaM, if it might have
been the MaHaRShaL's, and if there are any glosses on the sides.
(Berliner notes a RaMBaM belonging to the MaHaRShaL's in the city
Sokol with marginal glosses, but was lost in later generations.
c.f. Amudei Shlomoh Avodah Zara, where the MaHaRShaL's cites his
glosses on the RaMBaM)

If anyone might be aware of anything further, feel free to let me
know.

Thanks in advance

Rabbi Yosaif M. Dubovick
Betar Illit, Israel