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Mogilev #general

Paul Silverstone <paulh@...>
 

I am interested in reading about what happened when the Germans
occupied the town
of Mogilev in White Russia in 1941. Can someone direct me to a
source (in English!)

--
Paul Silverstone
New York

reply to: paulh@aya.yale.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Mogilev #general

Paul Silverstone <paulh@...>
 

I am interested in reading about what happened when the Germans
occupied the town
of Mogilev in White Russia in 1941. Can someone direct me to a
source (in English!)

--
Paul Silverstone
New York

reply to: paulh@aya.yale.edu


Reciprocation of work #general

Norman Greenfeld <ng253@...>
 

Debra Rosenberg and Joel Jakobson, separately, speak positively of
helping others on the digest (and, I assume, elsewhere) in their
searches for family ties and connections. and yet, others complain
bitterly about not receiving thanks for what they have done "for
you."!
Debra also suggests that helping others fulfills a tikkun olum
requirement. And it is here that I get perturbed.
Shall I do"good works" because it is an obligation? Shall I offer to
help only if others can reciprocate? Nope! I do not want to write to
the digest and suggest that if you will look this up for me, then I'll
reciprocate for you. Also, I don't want you to have to ask me to look
up "for you" and you will reciprocate for me. I will, however, offer
thanks to those who help me and respond to those who write me. I
should hope for similar acts by others, BUT it is not a requirement.

Life should be simpler and more helpful than that. Sure, I get upset
with someone asking a question on the digest that "might" be answered
by the rabbi, but I can't argue against "library" work since not all
will have access to "libraries." And not everyne has unlimited,
relatively cheap access to the web.
So, let us be charitable, thankful, helpful people...and keep
smiling.
Norman Greenfeld
Almany BY
ng253@cnsibm.albany.edu


Re: 1880 census enumeration districts #general

Barry Finkel <b19141@...>
 

I would say the chances are very slim that he is in this census.
As I understand >from another list I read, there were "official
dates" of each census, and the census enumerators asked for personal
statistics as of that date, no matter what date they actually came
to the house. I don't recall the date for the 1880 census, but I am
thinking it was probably either January 1 or April 1.
I have records >from the 1880 census >from three states:

CA: June 9
PA: June 2
NY: June 15

Barry S. Finkel
Chicago, IL USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Reciprocation of work #general

Norman Greenfeld <ng253@...>
 

Debra Rosenberg and Joel Jakobson, separately, speak positively of
helping others on the digest (and, I assume, elsewhere) in their
searches for family ties and connections. and yet, others complain
bitterly about not receiving thanks for what they have done "for
you."!
Debra also suggests that helping others fulfills a tikkun olum
requirement. And it is here that I get perturbed.
Shall I do"good works" because it is an obligation? Shall I offer to
help only if others can reciprocate? Nope! I do not want to write to
the digest and suggest that if you will look this up for me, then I'll
reciprocate for you. Also, I don't want you to have to ask me to look
up "for you" and you will reciprocate for me. I will, however, offer
thanks to those who help me and respond to those who write me. I
should hope for similar acts by others, BUT it is not a requirement.

Life should be simpler and more helpful than that. Sure, I get upset
with someone asking a question on the digest that "might" be answered
by the rabbi, but I can't argue against "library" work since not all
will have access to "libraries." And not everyne has unlimited,
relatively cheap access to the web.
So, let us be charitable, thankful, helpful people...and keep
smiling.
Norman Greenfeld
Almany BY
ng253@cnsibm.albany.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: 1880 census enumeration districts #general

Barry Finkel <b19141@...>
 

I would say the chances are very slim that he is in this census.
As I understand >from another list I read, there were "official
dates" of each census, and the census enumerators asked for personal
statistics as of that date, no matter what date they actually came
to the house. I don't recall the date for the 1880 census, but I am
thinking it was probably either January 1 or April 1.
I have records >from the 1880 census >from three states:

CA: June 9
PA: June 2
NY: June 15

Barry S. Finkel
Chicago, IL USA


Addresses in Vienna #general

Henry Wellisch <Henry_Wellisch@...>
 

There are several important addresses in Vienna where one can find a
lot of information.

1. Israelitische Kultusgemeinde Wien (Jewish Community of Vienna)
Seitenstettengasse 4
(Birth, Marriage, Death records (1826- 1938)

2. Wiener Stadt und Landesarchiv (Vienna City and County Archive)
Magistratsabteilung 8 (MA8)
Rathaus (City hall)
(Vienna, population records before 1948)

3. Zentralevidenzstelle (Central documentary office)
Magistratsabteilung 61 (MA 61)
Rathaus (City hall)
(Proof of domicile, proof of death certificates)

4. Bundespolizeidirection Wien (Police Directorate Vienna)
Zentralmeldeamt (Central Registration Office)
Rossauerlaende 5
(Population records on Vienna after 1948)

5. SCHALOM, Society for Restoration of Jewish Cemeteries in Vienna
Zentralfriedhof (Central Cemetery)
Tor 1 (First gate)
(Speak to Mr. Walter Pagler, he has a trailer there)

Henry Wellisch
Toronto


Re: Harry the Horse #general

spvolk@...
 

<< On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 03:47:13, gailmann@jps.net (Gail Mittelman) wrote:

> I was told that a relative was a famous Jewish gangster going by the name
> Harry the Horse. I tried looking in periodicals for him. Has anyone any
> info? His real name was Harris R Rosen of NYC. Thanks. Gail >>

A good bet <g>, he liked to play the horses and friends named him for the
character in "Guys and Dolls". It was not uncommon to find bookies and
dealers who were Jewish in the 30s, 40s, 50s...... There was a book written
not too long ago (within the last year?) about Jewish Gangsters.

Shelley (with limited connections to da mob) Volk
Chicago, IL

MODERATOR NOTE: We've taken this around the far turn <grin>
now we're done. Continue privately if you've a mind to.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Addresses in Vienna #general

Henry Wellisch <Henry_Wellisch@...>
 

There are several important addresses in Vienna where one can find a
lot of information.

1. Israelitische Kultusgemeinde Wien (Jewish Community of Vienna)
Seitenstettengasse 4
(Birth, Marriage, Death records (1826- 1938)

2. Wiener Stadt und Landesarchiv (Vienna City and County Archive)
Magistratsabteilung 8 (MA8)
Rathaus (City hall)
(Vienna, population records before 1948)

3. Zentralevidenzstelle (Central documentary office)
Magistratsabteilung 61 (MA 61)
Rathaus (City hall)
(Proof of domicile, proof of death certificates)

4. Bundespolizeidirection Wien (Police Directorate Vienna)
Zentralmeldeamt (Central Registration Office)
Rossauerlaende 5
(Population records on Vienna after 1948)

5. SCHALOM, Society for Restoration of Jewish Cemeteries in Vienna
Zentralfriedhof (Central Cemetery)
Tor 1 (First gate)
(Speak to Mr. Walter Pagler, he has a trailer there)

Henry Wellisch
Toronto


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Harry the Horse #general

spvolk@...
 

<< On Tue, 1 Jun 1999 03:47:13, gailmann@jps.net (Gail Mittelman) wrote:

> I was told that a relative was a famous Jewish gangster going by the name
> Harry the Horse. I tried looking in periodicals for him. Has anyone any
> info? His real name was Harris R Rosen of NYC. Thanks. Gail >>

A good bet <g>, he liked to play the horses and friends named him for the
character in "Guys and Dolls". It was not uncommon to find bookies and
dealers who were Jewish in the 30s, 40s, 50s...... There was a book written
not too long ago (within the last year?) about Jewish Gangsters.

Shelley (with limited connections to da mob) Volk
Chicago, IL

MODERATOR NOTE: We've taken this around the far turn <grin>
now we're done. Continue privately if you've a mind to.


Re: Russian Gubernyas #general

rokoco1@...
 

I would sincerely appreciate your assistance - My maternal grandparents came
to the USA in the 1890s - My Grandfather unquestionably came >from around
Kiev, possibly >from a Shtetl named Kaslov which would have been in the Pale -
My Grandmother phonetically said that she came >from GALARNI GUBERNI, which I
have been unable to locate - as she was the daughter of an Agricultural
Scientist, she was raised on the estate of a Count which would suggest that
this location was
not in the Pale - Have you any knowledge of a Gubernya which sounds like
this? I
was told that there was an area near Minsk called Galarna which was an
agricultural area but do not know if this was a Gubernya or not. Thanks,
Jerome Cohen


Name equivalents (or the lack thereof) #general

Steven Chall <steven.chall@...>
 

Judith Romney Wegner wrote:
SNIP<<all the Jewish Ians I ever met had the Hebrew name Yitzhak. >>SNIP
~~~
For the totally unscientific collection, my son Ian's Hebrew name is
Israel. We just used an english name starting with "I".

613
Steven Chall in Minneapolis, MN =[;-)
Researching:
ALEXANDER & CHALL
(Dvinsk,Russia (now Latvia); before 1900)
ZELMANOV & HALKIN
(Bobruisk, Russia; before 1907) (France; abt 1930)
BECKER & CHASKELEVITZ (became CHASWORTH)
(Kishenev, Bessarabia; before 1920)
Someday BRODSKY, COHEN, KAPLAN (Poland / Russia)
All ended up in parts of New York City


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Russian Gubernyas #general

rokoco1@...
 

I would sincerely appreciate your assistance - My maternal grandparents came
to the USA in the 1890s - My Grandfather unquestionably came >from around
Kiev, possibly >from a Shtetl named Kaslov which would have been in the Pale -
My Grandmother phonetically said that she came >from GALARNI GUBERNI, which I
have been unable to locate - as she was the daughter of an Agricultural
Scientist, she was raised on the estate of a Count which would suggest that
this location was
not in the Pale - Have you any knowledge of a Gubernya which sounds like
this? I
was told that there was an area near Minsk called Galarna which was an
agricultural area but do not know if this was a Gubernya or not. Thanks,
Jerome Cohen


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Name equivalents (or the lack thereof) #general

Steven Chall <steven.chall@...>
 

Judith Romney Wegner wrote:
SNIP<<all the Jewish Ians I ever met had the Hebrew name Yitzhak. >>SNIP
~~~
For the totally unscientific collection, my son Ian's Hebrew name is
Israel. We just used an english name starting with "I".

613
Steven Chall in Minneapolis, MN =[;-)
Researching:
ALEXANDER & CHALL
(Dvinsk,Russia (now Latvia); before 1900)
ZELMANOV & HALKIN
(Bobruisk, Russia; before 1907) (France; abt 1930)
BECKER & CHASKELEVITZ (became CHASWORTH)
(Kishenev, Bessarabia; before 1920)
Someday BRODSKY, COHEN, KAPLAN (Poland / Russia)
All ended up in parts of New York City


FTJP and Helping Others #general

Carol Rombro Rider
 

Menno--You have a point when you complain that some of us are not always
using the important words "please" and "thank you" when we correspond with
one another. It may also be that some of us are intimidated when we do not
know to whom we write when using the FTJP. But don't get discouraged; there
are more of us out in Jewishgen land who will gladly say "please", "thank
you" and even offer our time and experience to reach out and help others.

There is a gentleman in Baltimore that I have known for over ten years.
He is retired, and spends about 7 days a week doing genealogy--mostly for
other people.
As a mentor, he has taught me an invaluble lesson. When he does research for
other people, he learns things that he may otherwise never have learned just
doing research for himself. There are resources he uses that he may never
use again. There are places and names he comes across that he may never see
again. But inevitably, as life will do, it comes back in other ways to help
him in his research.

For those who ask only for themselves and will not ever help anyone
else, I can only say that they can never learn the game of genealogy like
others will. I suspect that many of them will be forever looking for the
great, big genealogy file with their families' names on it. (If you are not
familiar with this file, please see the Jewishgen Infofiles and look for Dan
Leeson's "Genealogical Fable". It will enable you to locate everything you
have ever wanted to know about your ancestors very quickly......)

Don't be discouraged. Keep enjoying Jewishgen for all the good and
friendly people you will meet online. And Menno, work hard on your family
tree. After all, one day you may find that you and I are related--and then
just think--you will already have done all the work for me on that side of
the tree--and I will give you a great, big THANK YOU!

Carol Rombro Rider Baltimore, Maryland USA CRomRider@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FTJP and Helping Others #general

Carol Rombro Rider
 

Menno--You have a point when you complain that some of us are not always
using the important words "please" and "thank you" when we correspond with
one another. It may also be that some of us are intimidated when we do not
know to whom we write when using the FTJP. But don't get discouraged; there
are more of us out in Jewishgen land who will gladly say "please", "thank
you" and even offer our time and experience to reach out and help others.

There is a gentleman in Baltimore that I have known for over ten years.
He is retired, and spends about 7 days a week doing genealogy--mostly for
other people.
As a mentor, he has taught me an invaluble lesson. When he does research for
other people, he learns things that he may otherwise never have learned just
doing research for himself. There are resources he uses that he may never
use again. There are places and names he comes across that he may never see
again. But inevitably, as life will do, it comes back in other ways to help
him in his research.

For those who ask only for themselves and will not ever help anyone
else, I can only say that they can never learn the game of genealogy like
others will. I suspect that many of them will be forever looking for the
great, big genealogy file with their families' names on it. (If you are not
familiar with this file, please see the Jewishgen Infofiles and look for Dan
Leeson's "Genealogical Fable". It will enable you to locate everything you
have ever wanted to know about your ancestors very quickly......)

Don't be discouraged. Keep enjoying Jewishgen for all the good and
friendly people you will meet online. And Menno, work hard on your family
tree. After all, one day you may find that you and I are related--and then
just think--you will already have done all the work for me on that side of
the tree--and I will give you a great, big THANK YOU!

Carol Rombro Rider Baltimore, Maryland USA CRomRider@aol.com


Tips for Visiting Vienna #general

Andreas Inhofner <inhofner@...>
 

Subject: Tips for Visiting Vienna, Austria (Wien)

In JGDG Digest of May 31, 1999, Maria Krane asked for places where to go in
Vienna for any researches.

Beneath the places tourists use to visit in Vienna, there are different
Archives and Libraries in Vienna which might be of interest for GenSearchers.
Until now, work in Austrian Archives is normally free of expenses except for
self-costs for copies! Take enough Austrian Schilling-coins (1, 5, 10) with
you!

www.oesta.gv.at has some tips for Genners, and parts of Vienna Maps where
Archives to be find. The Property Database of Dr. Steiner (Lorraine Bertelsen
mentioned it in JewishGen Digest of May 31, 1991) is a part of this Archive,
Oesterreichisches Staatsarchiv. Mainly they hold the Kriegsarchiv of the
former Austrian Empire, with some personal data of WW I. too. If you are
interested in military, you should visit the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum, in
Vienna, Arsenal near Suedbahnhof.

You can find links to all other Austrian and to some international Archives
and Libraries at www.oesta.gv.at too.

The Town of Vienna in Rathaus, townhall, web-site www.magwien.gv.at/ma08,
click "culture" for Wiener Stadt- und Landesarchiv, holds the
Sterbeprotokolle, death certificates and testaments, for all persons resided
in Vienna at the date of their decease. You must know the No. of the district
(Bezirk) where they passed away. They store micro-films with birth-, marriage-
and death-data of the Jewish Community (IKG-Israelitische
Kultusgemeinde) also. Naturalization documents at Dept. MA 61 on written
request only.

IKG-Israelitische Kultusgemeinde Wien
Matrikelamt
Seitenstettengasse 4
A-1010 Vienna, Austria
phone: 53104 FAX: 5331577 pre-dial: 0043 (Austria) - 1 (or 01? Vienna).
They take about $ 10.- per enquiry. Jewish Cemetary is computerized, but not
online.

Austrian National Library, Osterreichische Nationalbibliothek, Heldenplatz:
www.onb.ac.at You can find school almanachs of schools of the former Austrian
Empire. All newspapers of former times. And every book issued in Austria at
any time.

Index of museums, castles and exhibitions: www.leonardo-sys.com/netMUSEUM

Police archive for membership in any organization or club:
Bundespolizeidirektion Wien, Archiv, Schottenring 7-9, A-1010 Wien. Phone
31310-7418, ask for Mrs. Hock, you need a period for registration.

Documentation Center: www.doew.at I've found there letters >from an uncle,
written in 1941 >from France and Portugal to New York! They have a surname
catalogue.
The Documentation Center issued the books:
Austrians in Exile: USA 1938-1945. A Documentation, 1995. Volume 1+2,
594+787pgs. Illustrated. ATS 350.- in linen each resp. ATS 290.- each in
paperback.
Austrians in Exile: Great Britain 1938-1945. 652pgs. Documentation,
1992. Illustrated. ATS 290.- in paperback.
and many other books re resistance and persuance.
1 US-$ = about 12,6 ATS. Mailing fees in addition.

The Universitaetsarchiv holds all sub- and inscription forms back to 1365! In
former times the "Nationale", inscriptions to every semester, were filled-in
by the students themselves, stating name of the parents, residence in Vienna,
subjects, etc. You need a period for registration, call 5131161-0. 1. Bezirk,
Postgasse 7/Stg. 1.

Andreas Inhofner inhofner@netway.at


searching for: NUSSBAUM, CZECHER, KORNFELD, KULKA, GUTTMANN, METANOMSKY,
METANOMSKA >from Brody, Galicia, now Ukraina - CZECHER >from Debica, Galicia,
now Poland. KULKA >from Vienna via France to White Plains, NY.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Tips for Visiting Vienna #general

Andreas Inhofner <inhofner@...>
 

Subject: Tips for Visiting Vienna, Austria (Wien)

In JGDG Digest of May 31, 1999, Maria Krane asked for places where to go in
Vienna for any researches.

Beneath the places tourists use to visit in Vienna, there are different
Archives and Libraries in Vienna which might be of interest for GenSearchers.
Until now, work in Austrian Archives is normally free of expenses except for
self-costs for copies! Take enough Austrian Schilling-coins (1, 5, 10) with
you!

www.oesta.gv.at has some tips for Genners, and parts of Vienna Maps where
Archives to be find. The Property Database of Dr. Steiner (Lorraine Bertelsen
mentioned it in JewishGen Digest of May 31, 1991) is a part of this Archive,
Oesterreichisches Staatsarchiv. Mainly they hold the Kriegsarchiv of the
former Austrian Empire, with some personal data of WW I. too. If you are
interested in military, you should visit the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum, in
Vienna, Arsenal near Suedbahnhof.

You can find links to all other Austrian and to some international Archives
and Libraries at www.oesta.gv.at too.

The Town of Vienna in Rathaus, townhall, web-site www.magwien.gv.at/ma08,
click "culture" for Wiener Stadt- und Landesarchiv, holds the
Sterbeprotokolle, death certificates and testaments, for all persons resided
in Vienna at the date of their decease. You must know the No. of the district
(Bezirk) where they passed away. They store micro-films with birth-, marriage-
and death-data of the Jewish Community (IKG-Israelitische
Kultusgemeinde) also. Naturalization documents at Dept. MA 61 on written
request only.

IKG-Israelitische Kultusgemeinde Wien
Matrikelamt
Seitenstettengasse 4
A-1010 Vienna, Austria
phone: 53104 FAX: 5331577 pre-dial: 0043 (Austria) - 1 (or 01? Vienna).
They take about $ 10.- per enquiry. Jewish Cemetary is computerized, but not
online.

Austrian National Library, Osterreichische Nationalbibliothek, Heldenplatz:
www.onb.ac.at You can find school almanachs of schools of the former Austrian
Empire. All newspapers of former times. And every book issued in Austria at
any time.

Index of museums, castles and exhibitions: www.leonardo-sys.com/netMUSEUM

Police archive for membership in any organization or club:
Bundespolizeidirektion Wien, Archiv, Schottenring 7-9, A-1010 Wien. Phone
31310-7418, ask for Mrs. Hock, you need a period for registration.

Documentation Center: www.doew.at I've found there letters >from an uncle,
written in 1941 >from France and Portugal to New York! They have a surname
catalogue.
The Documentation Center issued the books:
Austrians in Exile: USA 1938-1945. A Documentation, 1995. Volume 1+2,
594+787pgs. Illustrated. ATS 350.- in linen each resp. ATS 290.- each in
paperback.
Austrians in Exile: Great Britain 1938-1945. 652pgs. Documentation,
1992. Illustrated. ATS 290.- in paperback.
and many other books re resistance and persuance.
1 US-$ = about 12,6 ATS. Mailing fees in addition.

The Universitaetsarchiv holds all sub- and inscription forms back to 1365! In
former times the "Nationale", inscriptions to every semester, were filled-in
by the students themselves, stating name of the parents, residence in Vienna,
subjects, etc. You need a period for registration, call 5131161-0. 1. Bezirk,
Postgasse 7/Stg. 1.

Andreas Inhofner inhofner@netway.at


searching for: NUSSBAUM, CZECHER, KORNFELD, KULKA, GUTTMANN, METANOMSKY,
METANOMSKA >from Brody, Galicia, now Ukraina - CZECHER >from Debica, Galicia,
now Poland. KULKA >from Vienna via France to White Plains, NY.


Re: Jewish Community of Baku #general

Roman Turovsky <r.turovsky@...>
 

A FEW CORRECTIONS:

There are two main groups of "Azeri" Jews in Azerbaijan. One group is
comprised of Caucasian Mountain Jews who have been in the area for many
centuries and speak a language called "Judeo-Tat" which is partly based on
northern Iranian. The other group is formed by Ashenazim who came to
Azerbaijan during the nineteenth century.
IN FACT MOST ASHK. JEWS settled there during WWII i.e. after 1941.



During the first years of the Soviet regime, the Tats had to change
their language to conform to the Latin alphabet instead of preserving the
Hebrew letters. A decade later, in 1938, they were made to use the
Cyrillic
alphabet.
As modern TURKEY switched to Latin alph. Soviet auth. ordered CYrillization
as a tool to separate Azeris (who are turks ethnically) >from their brethren
across the border. AND the smaller nations by default, in keeping with
general russocentric policy.

Also, during the late 1930's many Tat Jewish cultural
institutions were shut down as well some synagogues.
IN FACT the TATS were not considered Jews by the Soviet authorities and
their assimilation is attributable to their previously MEDIEVAL lifestyle
(often of Corsican-Sardinian types of violence), and newfound possibilities.

Despite Soviet efforts to assimilate the Tats, they have managed to
preserve many of their old traditions, and there has been very little
intermarriage.
There was INtermarriage and plenty of it. I personally knew several
partTats.


Some Georgian and Bukharan Jews also live in Azerbaijan.

In Baku there are "ten or fifteen" Jewish organizations, including
Zionist and youth groups and an Azerbaijan-Israel Friendship Organization.,
and there are three Sysnagogues. The largest and oldest synagogue is for
"Mountain Jews," and it is The other two synagogues are used respectively
by the Ashkenazim and Georgians. The rabbis are locally educated.

in 1987 Hebrew courses were allowed to be offered in Baku and now
Hebrew
can be studied at two high schools and at the University.

There are five Jewish schools Baku and Quba and a Baku community
newspaper.

Despite the loosening up of restrictions against Jews, 27,650 Azeri
Jews
have emigrated to Israel since 1989.
There were few restrictions on Jews there as Azeris were not really
anti-semitic (they reserved their bile for Armenians). Jews lived very
comfortably in Azerb. as Moscow's long arm just wasn't long enough there.


MODERATOR NOTE: We are moving away >from genealogy here. Please continue
this discussion privately.


Am I stupid ?....no you are not. #general

Micheline GUTMANN <MichelineGUTMANN@...>
 

Menno NIKERK wrote:

I have recently uploaded my Gedcom onto the FTJP and have had several
emails phrased more or less as follows:

I would appreciate your reply concerning Moishele Apfelstrudel
I am researching Apfelstrudel family - they are >from shtetls like etc.
Is this the way we ask one another for assistance? No signature, no
details, no thanks in advance for your help. No "I'll be pleased to
reciprocate".<

I am happy to hear >from Menno NYKERK about this question .
Very often, I receive this kind of questions, and sometimes even not so
polite:
"Send all your WEILs...."
This kind of questions don't not come only >from FTJP readers,
but >from quite everywhere in USA, France,..... =

Once, I was so shoked that I answered :
"you would not have asked this way even to the post office
or any shop when you go and pay for something... "

There are some other chapters to write about some questions.
for instance, people who are asking to send by e-mail articles
of the reviews without any subscription to it =

Do they ask this to other editors ?

I don't speak of people who forget to thank for information...

But we also have marvellous and helpful correspondants.....

Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France =

www.chez.com/genami