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Re: The name Rose, and puns and anagrams in general #general

MBernet@...
 

I was corresponding off-line recently with someone who wondered how come a
woman changed her name in America >from Soreh [Yiddish for Sarah] to Rose.

Actually, in her home country almost certainly dropped the final "h" >from
the spelling of her name. Among Jews, her name would have been pronounced Sureh.

She comes to America. She can drop the "h." that gives her the choice of
spelling her name "Sore" or "Sure." She probably tried each a few times. Can
you imagine the giggles, either way? I doubt she was feeling exactly sure at
herself.

But "Sore" gave her (or her friends or teachers) an idea. Why not shuffle the
letters around? And so she became Rose.

Don't laugh. Our minds think faster than we can read. Have you ever misread
a word in a newspaper or on a package? The word may have made sense in the
context but it wasn't the intended word. It's surprising how often our
thinking is shaped by an unintended pun or anagram

We know how often among Ashkenazim the secular name was formed by creating a
name that has the same initial as the "Jewish" or Hebrew name. Now add to
that the possibility that it may have been formed by an association of the
"Jewish" or Hebrew name with a secular name that was an almost pun or anagram of
the former name.

As the songwriter might have written:

Don't be sore about Sore
Feel the Bloom in being Blume.
Get a rise out of Rosie
But don't get mired in Me'ir

Michael Bernet, New York

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The name Rose, and puns and anagrams in general #general

MBernet@...
 

I was corresponding off-line recently with someone who wondered how come a
woman changed her name in America >from Soreh [Yiddish for Sarah] to Rose.

Actually, in her home country almost certainly dropped the final "h" >from
the spelling of her name. Among Jews, her name would have been pronounced Sureh.

She comes to America. She can drop the "h." that gives her the choice of
spelling her name "Sore" or "Sure." She probably tried each a few times. Can
you imagine the giggles, either way? I doubt she was feeling exactly sure at
herself.

But "Sore" gave her (or her friends or teachers) an idea. Why not shuffle the
letters around? And so she became Rose.

Don't laugh. Our minds think faster than we can read. Have you ever misread
a word in a newspaper or on a package? The word may have made sense in the
context but it wasn't the intended word. It's surprising how often our
thinking is shaped by an unintended pun or anagram

We know how often among Ashkenazim the secular name was formed by creating a
name that has the same initial as the "Jewish" or Hebrew name. Now add to
that the possibility that it may have been formed by an association of the
"Jewish" or Hebrew name with a secular name that was an almost pun or anagram of
the former name.

As the songwriter might have written:

Don't be sore about Sore
Feel the Bloom in being Blume.
Get a rise out of Rosie
But don't get mired in Me'ir

Michael Bernet, New York

Jewish Research in New Zealand #general

Earl Hart <earl@...>
 

Is there anyone researching Jewish ancestry in New Zealand especially
Dunedin, but also Wellington and Auckland?

My family came to Dunedin circa 1870 and some moved on to Wellington and
Auckland about the turn of the century.

I am interested in locating any registers or contacts that may have access
to these.

Also any on-line links to further information would be very helpful.

Earl Hart

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Research in New Zealand #general

Earl Hart <earl@...>
 

Is there anyone researching Jewish ancestry in New Zealand especially
Dunedin, but also Wellington and Auckland?

My family came to Dunedin circa 1870 and some moved on to Wellington and
Auckland about the turn of the century.

I am interested in locating any registers or contacts that may have access
to these.

Also any on-line links to further information would be very helpful.

Earl Hart

Searching for LENZNER in Argentina #general

Marcia Meyers <marciarthur@...>
 

Greetings,

My family is looking for the LENZNER family in
Argentina. My cousin's husband Gerhard Lenzner was
born in Berlin 1926.

Gerhard's mother Herta Kirsch Lenzner and father
Adolph or Wolf(not sure of name) Lenzner were married
and divorced in 1928.
Adolph or Wolf Lenzner was born in Poland married and
lived in Berlin and left the country and went to
Argentina. He remarried and was in touch with Gerhard
one time. Does anyone know this family?
Thanks for any help,
Marcia Indianer Meyers
President JGSCT
marciarthur@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for LENZNER in Argentina #general

Marcia Meyers <marciarthur@...>
 

Greetings,

My family is looking for the LENZNER family in
Argentina. My cousin's husband Gerhard Lenzner was
born in Berlin 1926.

Gerhard's mother Herta Kirsch Lenzner and father
Adolph or Wolf(not sure of name) Lenzner were married
and divorced in 1928.
Adolph or Wolf Lenzner was born in Poland married and
lived in Berlin and left the country and went to
Argentina. He remarried and was in touch with Gerhard
one time. Does anyone know this family?
Thanks for any help,
Marcia Indianer Meyers
President JGSCT
marciarthur@...

Hebrew for Phillip #lithuania

Avigdor&Laia <lbendov@...>
 

Regarding name in Hebrew for Phillip, the best source for equivalent names
is Kolatch Book of Names (revised).

There is no straight translation only transliteration, but I assume you
want to convey a meaning too.

Faivel, Pesach, or Pinchas might be some choices.
Usually, a first initial is all they have in common.

Hope this helps.
Avigdor Ben-Dov
Yad LeZehava Holocaust Research Institute
Kedumim, Israel

Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Hebrew for Phillip #lithuania

Avigdor&Laia <lbendov@...>
 

Regarding name in Hebrew for Phillip, the best source for equivalent names
is Kolatch Book of Names (revised).

There is no straight translation only transliteration, but I assume you
want to convey a meaning too.

Faivel, Pesach, or Pinchas might be some choices.
Usually, a first initial is all they have in common.

Hope this helps.
Avigdor Ben-Dov
Yad LeZehava Holocaust Research Institute
Kedumim, Israel

FW: BEROWITZ and BEROWICZ families #lithuania

Jim Bennett <bennett@...>
 

BEROWICZ, usually spelled BEROWITZ in the U.S., was a large family that
"originated" in Pyzdry [Peisern] in Western Poland. The earliest ancestor
was Dov Ber ben ...?... who lived >from about 1730 until about 1790.
Unsurprisingly his son Lachmann 1765-1843 adopted the name BEROWICZ. This
happened in the first decade of the 19th century when this became mandatory
in "Congress Poland".

A thorough scan of JRI Poland reveals that, with only a few exceptions, the
great majority of BEROWICZ'S in Poland lived in either Pyzdry or nearby
Slupca during the 19th century. So this surname was fairly rare among
Polish Jewry. The most common surname chosen by descendants of men named
Ber was BERKOWICZ, not BEROWICZ. There are BERKOWICZ's in virtually every
Jewish community in Poland, over 2000 B-M-D events!

Many BEROWICZ'S immigrated to America in the great immigration beween
1880-1924, including >from Lithuania and Latvia. The early 20th century
censuses show many BEROWITZ families in the NY area, mostly, I estimate,
from Eastern Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Belarus. Today there are large
numbers of BEROWITZ'S in the U.S. mostly in the NY and NJ areas.

Several BEROWITZ women >from the Pyzdry family married into my COHN family
[also >from Pyzdry] in New York early in the 20th century.

I'm assembling a BEROWICZ/BEROWITZ tree and I welcome anyone with
information, trees, relatives, etc to contact me and participate.. I
wish to distinguish between Berowitz families >from W. Poland and from
Lithuania and Latvia, who, I believe are not related to one another.

Jim Bennett
Haifa, Israel

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.

Lithuania SIG #Lithuania FW: BEROWITZ and BEROWICZ families #lithuania

Jim Bennett <bennett@...>
 

BEROWICZ, usually spelled BEROWITZ in the U.S., was a large family that
"originated" in Pyzdry [Peisern] in Western Poland. The earliest ancestor
was Dov Ber ben ...?... who lived >from about 1730 until about 1790.
Unsurprisingly his son Lachmann 1765-1843 adopted the name BEROWICZ. This
happened in the first decade of the 19th century when this became mandatory
in "Congress Poland".

A thorough scan of JRI Poland reveals that, with only a few exceptions, the
great majority of BEROWICZ'S in Poland lived in either Pyzdry or nearby
Slupca during the 19th century. So this surname was fairly rare among
Polish Jewry. The most common surname chosen by descendants of men named
Ber was BERKOWICZ, not BEROWICZ. There are BERKOWICZ's in virtually every
Jewish community in Poland, over 2000 B-M-D events!

Many BEROWICZ'S immigrated to America in the great immigration beween
1880-1924, including >from Lithuania and Latvia. The early 20th century
censuses show many BEROWITZ families in the NY area, mostly, I estimate,
from Eastern Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Belarus. Today there are large
numbers of BEROWITZ'S in the U.S. mostly in the NY and NJ areas.

Several BEROWITZ women >from the Pyzdry family married into my COHN family
[also >from Pyzdry] in New York early in the 20th century.

I'm assembling a BEROWICZ/BEROWITZ tree and I welcome anyone with
information, trees, relatives, etc to contact me and participate.. I
wish to distinguish between Berowitz families >from W. Poland and from
Lithuania and Latvia, who, I believe are not related to one another.

Jim Bennett
Haifa, Israel

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please respond privately with family information.

SIWEK family from Bialystock #poland

Alexandra Siwek <AlexSiwek@...>
 

Hi,

My great grandfather and grandfather Siweks were glove designer/maker in
Bialystock. wonder if they knew your grandfather back in Bialystock. My
family came over to New York in the 1880s

Alexandra Siwek

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Subject: KAPLAN
From: spinltd@...
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:06:13 EDT
X-Message-Number: 1

Hi,

My grandfather Benjamin Kaplan arrived to Mexico in the late 20's from
Bialystok apparently together with his brother Hirsh. We know very little
of his roots and know Kaplan is a very common last name however we
will appreciate any leads or advice on how to trace our family origins.
We know he was a tailor back in the old home.

Thank you

Roberto Spindel
spinltd@...

BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland SIWEK family from Bialystock #poland

Alexandra Siwek <AlexSiwek@...>
 

Hi,

My great grandfather and grandfather Siweks were glove designer/maker in
Bialystock. wonder if they knew your grandfather back in Bialystock. My
family came over to New York in the 1880s

Alexandra Siwek

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: KAPLAN
From: spinltd@...
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:06:13 EDT
X-Message-Number: 1

Hi,

My grandfather Benjamin Kaplan arrived to Mexico in the late 20's from
Bialystok apparently together with his brother Hirsh. We know very little
of his roots and know Kaplan is a very common last name however we
will appreciate any leads or advice on how to trace our family origins.
We know he was a tailor back in the old home.

Thank you

Roberto Spindel
spinltd@...

Help with finding the BODNICK family (originally from Philadelphia) #poland

Darren Dalcher <D.Dalcher@...>
 

Can anyone suggest a way of contacting the children of Gertrude BODNICK
from Philadelphia?
Gertrude was born Gertrude BANKOWSKI in Pinsk (around 1914) -- I believe
she passed away in Philadelphia in 1998. My grandfather, Raphael
Bankowski and Gertrude were the only known survivors >from the family. We
had an emotional meeting with Gertrude in Philadelphia in 1975 but did
not meet her children. She had a son named Sheldon and a daughter who
got married. I believe that Sheldon was an engineer and have been told
that he possibly may have moved to New Jersey.

I am trying to piece together details about members of the family who
perished in Pinsk, but would need the help of Gertrude's children.
However I have no idea how to find either one of the children.

If you know the family, or have any suggestions about how to find
Sheldon or his sister, please respond privately.

Thank you in advance.

Darren Dalcher (in London, UK)

--
Dr. Darren Dalcher (d.dalcher@...)

Researching: DALCHER/DOLCHER(Zamosc, Tarnogrod), SZTEINWORCEL
(Tomaszow-Lubelski), SZTERN (Krasnystaw), MAJMAN (Szczebrzeszyn),
LEDERMAN (Tarnogrod)
Pinsk: BANKOWSKI, GINZBURG, SHLACKMAN, WASSERMAN

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Although Pinsk is today in Belarus, it was part
of Inter-War Poland.

JRI Poland #Poland Help with finding the BODNICK family (originally from Philadelphia) #poland

Darren Dalcher <D.Dalcher@...>
 

Can anyone suggest a way of contacting the children of Gertrude BODNICK
from Philadelphia?
Gertrude was born Gertrude BANKOWSKI in Pinsk (around 1914) -- I believe
she passed away in Philadelphia in 1998. My grandfather, Raphael
Bankowski and Gertrude were the only known survivors >from the family. We
had an emotional meeting with Gertrude in Philadelphia in 1975 but did
not meet her children. She had a son named Sheldon and a daughter who
got married. I believe that Sheldon was an engineer and have been told
that he possibly may have moved to New Jersey.

I am trying to piece together details about members of the family who
perished in Pinsk, but would need the help of Gertrude's children.
However I have no idea how to find either one of the children.

If you know the family, or have any suggestions about how to find
Sheldon or his sister, please respond privately.

Thank you in advance.

Darren Dalcher (in London, UK)

--
Dr. Darren Dalcher (d.dalcher@...)

Researching: DALCHER/DOLCHER(Zamosc, Tarnogrod), SZTEINWORCEL
(Tomaszow-Lubelski), SZTERN (Krasnystaw), MAJMAN (Szczebrzeszyn),
LEDERMAN (Tarnogrod)
Pinsk: BANKOWSKI, GINZBURG, SHLACKMAN, WASSERMAN

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Although Pinsk is today in Belarus, it was part
of Inter-War Poland.

"Some Jewish Families of Hesse and Galicia" now in JewishGenMall #poland

Carol W. Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

You may have already heard about "Some Jewish Families of Hesse and
Galicia" by Nathan M. Reiss, but did you know it's now available in the
JewishGenMall?.

Representing 40 years of research, the book includes information on over
9,000 persons, is over 1,100 pages in length and includes hundreds of
photos, maps and diagrams, as well as biographical information about family
members. It also includes extensive historical information on the Jewish
communities of the various ancestral towns, and on the Jews of Germany and
Galicia.

The families in the book >from towns in and near Galicia (now Poland) are:

DYNER, FREYLICH, GOLDBLUM, JAKUBOWICZ, MOSKOWICZ, TOBJASZ, MELLER,
SZLAMOWICZ (Olkusz), and KRIEGER (Oswiecim, Malec, Osiek, Kety) but even
if these are not the surnames you are researching, the
extensive Table of Contents provides an in depth listing of material that
will surely whet the appetite of any genealogist searching family in Galicia.

"Some Jewish Families...." is a large sized hard cover book containing a
treasure trove of information and may possibly provide a connection to your
own research, if not immediately, perhaps in the future. It deserves a
spot on the bookshelf of any researcher interested in Galicia since it
is such an expansive resource. To review the Table of Contents please to
visit
< http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeskyb6/id5.html >.

By clicking on the link to Purchase Copies at the top of the Table of
Contents page, you will be taken right to the JewishGenMall banner. Click
on it and you are in the Mall! Enter the title of the book or the Mall
Code NMR101 and click on the yellow search button. The JewishGenMall
introductrory sale price for this extraordinary resource is $80 plus
shipping and handling.
Hope you find this book of value to your research,

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects

JRI Poland #Poland "Some Jewish Families of Hesse and Galicia" now in JewishGenMall #poland

Carol W. Skydell <cskydell@...>
 

You may have already heard about "Some Jewish Families of Hesse and
Galicia" by Nathan M. Reiss, but did you know it's now available in the
JewishGenMall?.

Representing 40 years of research, the book includes information on over
9,000 persons, is over 1,100 pages in length and includes hundreds of
photos, maps and diagrams, as well as biographical information about family
members. It also includes extensive historical information on the Jewish
communities of the various ancestral towns, and on the Jews of Germany and
Galicia.

The families in the book >from towns in and near Galicia (now Poland) are:

DYNER, FREYLICH, GOLDBLUM, JAKUBOWICZ, MOSKOWICZ, TOBJASZ, MELLER,
SZLAMOWICZ (Olkusz), and KRIEGER (Oswiecim, Malec, Osiek, Kety) but even
if these are not the surnames you are researching, the
extensive Table of Contents provides an in depth listing of material that
will surely whet the appetite of any genealogist searching family in Galicia.

"Some Jewish Families...." is a large sized hard cover book containing a
treasure trove of information and may possibly provide a connection to your
own research, if not immediately, perhaps in the future. It deserves a
spot on the bookshelf of any researcher interested in Galicia since it
is such an expansive resource. To review the Table of Contents please to
visit
< http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeskyb6/id5.html >.

By clicking on the link to Purchase Copies at the top of the Table of
Contents page, you will be taken right to the JewishGenMall banner. Click
on it and you are in the Mall! Enter the title of the book or the Mall
Code NMR101 and click on the yellow search button. The JewishGenMall
introductrory sale price for this extraordinary resource is $80 plus
shipping and handling.
Hope you find this book of value to your research,

Carol W. Skydell, Vice President
JewishGen Special Projects

Re: ERDINAST Family #rabbinic

A. P. Korn <apkorn@...>
 

Earlier today, Tsila Arad <silaarad@...> wrote:

We are looking for information about R. Itschak Zeev ERDINAST. He was
the Lutatover Rebbe. His son was R. Moshe Aharon, Rebbe of Zlochov.
His son was R. Chanoch Heinech that was married to Miryam Tsomber.
They lived at Zdonska Volla, Poland
Shalom, Tsila,

Concerning Chanoch Heinich ERDINAST, who you said lived in Zdunska
Wola: I checked for the name, ERDINAST, in the Yizkor book for
Zdunska Wola, but did not find it. (There was ORDYNANS, but that's
not close enough) You should contact Prof. Daniel Wagner of the
Machon Weizmann:<Cpwagner@...>. He is the leader
of the Zdunska Wola projects for cemetery restoration and genealogy.

Mo'adim le-Simchah

Alex P. Korn
Toronto, Canada

Rabbinic Genealogy SIG #Rabbinic Re: ERDINAST Family #rabbinic

A. P. Korn <apkorn@...>
 

Earlier today, Tsila Arad <silaarad@...> wrote:

We are looking for information about R. Itschak Zeev ERDINAST. He was
the Lutatover Rebbe. His son was R. Moshe Aharon, Rebbe of Zlochov.
His son was R. Chanoch Heinech that was married to Miryam Tsomber.
They lived at Zdonska Volla, Poland
Shalom, Tsila,

Concerning Chanoch Heinich ERDINAST, who you said lived in Zdunska
Wola: I checked for the name, ERDINAST, in the Yizkor book for
Zdunska Wola, but did not find it. (There was ORDYNANS, but that's
not close enough) You should contact Prof. Daniel Wagner of the
Machon Weizmann:<Cpwagner@...>. He is the leader
of the Zdunska Wola projects for cemetery restoration and genealogy.

Mo'adim le-Simchah

Alex P. Korn
Toronto, Canada

Poland comes to New York #poland

Hadassah Lipsius <kesher@...>
 

Is there such a thing as too many Polish lectures at a Jewish Genealogy
Conference?

Probably most of the JRI-Poland list subscribers would say, "of course
not". The 26th Annual IAJGS Conference in New York has an unprecedented
large contingent of speakers coming >from Poland.

Attendees at past conferences will recognize speakers Yale Reisner and
Anna Przybyszewska Drozd >from the Ronald S. Lauder Foundation Genealogy
Project in Warsaw. Anna will be speaking on Untapped Polish Resources and
Yale's lecture title is "The Ones That Got Away: Polish Jews who Left the
Fold"

Dr Eleonora Bergman, an author and vice-director of the Jewish Historical
Institute in Warsaw will be lecturing on the archival holdings of her
institute.

Anna Wiernicka, who works in the Institute of Archeology and Ethnology,
Polish Academy of Science, will be speaking on Polish Notary Documentation.
My own personal research has benefited greatly >from the information that
I have uncovered in Polish Notary documentation.

Also represented is the Chief Rabbi of Poland, Rabbi Michael Schudrich.
Rabbi Schudrich will be part of a panel discussing "The Documentation,
Protection and Preservation of Jewish Cemeteries in Central and Eastern
Europe".

There are many more lectures that will be of interest to those
researching their Polish roots. Check out the conference website for the
list of speakers and their topics. If you haven't registered yet, what
are you waiting for? Looks like the conference is going to be a
genealogist's delight.Go to http://www.jgsny2006.org to register

See you there!

Hadassah Lipsius
Kew Gardens Hills, NY

JRI Poland #Poland Poland comes to New York #poland

Hadassah Lipsius <kesher@...>
 

Is there such a thing as too many Polish lectures at a Jewish Genealogy
Conference?

Probably most of the JRI-Poland list subscribers would say, "of course
not". The 26th Annual IAJGS Conference in New York has an unprecedented
large contingent of speakers coming >from Poland.

Attendees at past conferences will recognize speakers Yale Reisner and
Anna Przybyszewska Drozd >from the Ronald S. Lauder Foundation Genealogy
Project in Warsaw. Anna will be speaking on Untapped Polish Resources and
Yale's lecture title is "The Ones That Got Away: Polish Jews who Left the
Fold"

Dr Eleonora Bergman, an author and vice-director of the Jewish Historical
Institute in Warsaw will be lecturing on the archival holdings of her
institute.

Anna Wiernicka, who works in the Institute of Archeology and Ethnology,
Polish Academy of Science, will be speaking on Polish Notary Documentation.
My own personal research has benefited greatly >from the information that
I have uncovered in Polish Notary documentation.

Also represented is the Chief Rabbi of Poland, Rabbi Michael Schudrich.
Rabbi Schudrich will be part of a panel discussing "The Documentation,
Protection and Preservation of Jewish Cemeteries in Central and Eastern
Europe".

There are many more lectures that will be of interest to those
researching their Polish roots. Check out the conference website for the
list of speakers and their topics. If you haven't registered yet, what
are you waiting for? Looks like the conference is going to be a
genealogist's delight.Go to http://www.jgsny2006.org to register

See you there!

Hadassah Lipsius
Kew Gardens Hills, NY