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Re: Hungarian Genetic Groups #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Have you looked up the characteristics of Haplogroup A777 ?
That would give you some clue. Here is one link and lists very broad genetic geographic
definitions. Remember that both Israel and Babylonia are in Asia though usually defined as Middle
East. Even some Jews >from Babylonia ended up in Hungary. There is also a so-calles "Khazar
theory".

http://www.geocities.com/refuting_kemp/gene_intro.html
A, B, F - these haplogroups represent about 23% of the Asian mtDNA

Go also to: http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v70n5/013567/013567.html

This one is more verbose but does briefly indicate after Fig. 4 that some A mtdnas are "not" Asian
without more specifics.

If you have time "google" with "mtdna haplogroups" in the search

Also be aware that studies still rely on relatively small samples (a total of 69 when you get down
to all the entire A mtdna haplogroups in the last example.) Also these groupings are not talking
about "genealogical time frames of let us up to (generously) 3000 years , but rather so called
genetic time frames of 10 to 50,000 years.

Remember that any mt genetic markings can go back many generations, and that your haplogroup is
but a mutation >from a larger haplotype. Also Hungarian Jews have only been in Hungary at the
earliest >from the 1700's (about 12 generations at the most.). Also conversion >from none Jewish
mothers to Judaism were not "that" unusual.

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...> wrote:
Okay, can someone explain to me, having descended >from a Hungarian
speaking grandmother (great grandparents >from the same town) how I
wound up mtDNA Haplogroup A??? Leslie Weinberg

Elm St. & Walnut St. Synagogues, Chelsea, Ma. Help Needed #jewishgen

Lisa
 

Dear Group,

A relative who helped to bring my grandmother to America was once the
president of both the Elm St. Synagogue and the Walnut St. Synagogue in Chelsea,
Mass., sometime before his death in 1949.
I am wondering if he might have purchased yahrzeit plaques for his mother and
grandparents who never came to America. If so, they might have dates on them
as well as information regarding their father's names.
I heard that the Walnut St. Synagogue still exists but I have no information
about the Elm St. Synagogue. Is there anyone associated with either of these
two synagogues who would guide or help me on how to find this information about
these old yahrzeit plaques?

Many Thanks,
Lisa Brahin Weinblatt
New Jersey, USA
E-Mail: REDBALL62@...

Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Hungarian Genetic Groups #hungary

Robert Neu
 

Have you looked up the characteristics of Haplogroup A777 ?
That would give you some clue. Here is one link and lists very broad genetic geographic
definitions. Remember that both Israel and Babylonia are in Asia though usually defined as Middle
East. Even some Jews >from Babylonia ended up in Hungary. There is also a so-calles "Khazar
theory".

http://www.geocities.com/refuting_kemp/gene_intro.html
A, B, F - these haplogroups represent about 23% of the Asian mtDNA

Go also to: http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v70n5/013567/013567.html

This one is more verbose but does briefly indicate after Fig. 4 that some A mtdnas are "not" Asian
without more specifics.

If you have time "google" with "mtdna haplogroups" in the search

Also be aware that studies still rely on relatively small samples (a total of 69 when you get down
to all the entire A mtdna haplogroups in the last example.) Also these groupings are not talking
about "genealogical time frames of let us up to (generously) 3000 years , but rather so called
genetic time frames of 10 to 50,000 years.

Remember that any mt genetic markings can go back many generations, and that your haplogroup is
but a mutation >from a larger haplotype. Also Hungarian Jews have only been in Hungary at the
earliest >from the 1700's (about 12 generations at the most.). Also conversion >from none Jewish
mothers to Judaism were not "that" unusual.

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...> wrote:
Okay, can someone explain to me, having descended >from a Hungarian
speaking grandmother (great grandparents >from the same town) how I
wound up mtDNA Haplogroup A??? Leslie Weinberg

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Elm St. & Walnut St. Synagogues, Chelsea, Ma. Help Needed #jewishgen

Lisa
 

Dear Group,

A relative who helped to bring my grandmother to America was once the
president of both the Elm St. Synagogue and the Walnut St. Synagogue in Chelsea,
Mass., sometime before his death in 1949.
I am wondering if he might have purchased yahrzeit plaques for his mother and
grandparents who never came to America. If so, they might have dates on them
as well as information regarding their father's names.
I heard that the Walnut St. Synagogue still exists but I have no information
about the Elm St. Synagogue. Is there anyone associated with either of these
two synagogues who would guide or help me on how to find this information about
these old yahrzeit plaques?

Many Thanks,
Lisa Brahin Weinblatt
New Jersey, USA
E-Mail: REDBALL62@...

Looking for Neumann Family #hungary

levinson <levinson@...>
 

Dear All,
My ggfather Benjamin-Zeev or Wolf or Farkas Neumann was born on 1857 in
Luka-Nenye, Hont County (now Nenince, Slovakia) to Salomon Neumann and Roza
Klein. My father says that N. Farkas had brothers but he cannot remember
their names.He assumes that the family moved to Korpona, Hont County (now
Krupina, Slovakia).
*Can you advise me what to do in order to get more info about my ggfather
family?*
N. Farkas married Kohn Frida in unknown date. They lived in Losonc (now
Lucenec, Slovakia) where two of their children were born: Gyula and Vilma.
They moved to Kormoczbanya, Bars County (now Kremnica, Slovakia) where two
of their children were born: my gmother Jolan-Frumet (1895) and Artur
(1898).
They moved (perhaps during world war one) to Budapest where they run a
coffee shop.
Neumann Farkas died in Budapest, 1933.
Kohn Frida died in Dregelypalank in 1942.

Siblings:
Gyula changed his name to Nemes, married Iren Hupert and lived in Pelsoc,
Gomor es Kis-Hont County (now Plesivec, Slovakia). They had a son named
Endre. Gyula and Iren perished in the holocaust. Endre immigrated to USA and
lived in Chicago. We lost contact with him during the 60'. *How can I find
any info about Nemes Endre?*
Vilma married Kalman Fischer >from Banska Bystrica (Slovakia) and lived in
Pest. Kalman disappear in 1944. Their son Tibor came back >from the Russian
front married and had two sons. I don’t know his wife and boys names. Tibor
died in the 50' and Vilma in the 60'.
My gmother married Rezso Hochfelder in 1916. Both died in the holocaust.
Artur died in world war one.

*Does it sound familiar to anyone? Any advise how to get further
information?*

Esther Levinson
Beer Sheeva, Israel
levinson@...

Hungary SIG #Hungary Looking for Neumann Family #hungary

levinson <levinson@...>
 

Dear All,
My ggfather Benjamin-Zeev or Wolf or Farkas Neumann was born on 1857 in
Luka-Nenye, Hont County (now Nenince, Slovakia) to Salomon Neumann and Roza
Klein. My father says that N. Farkas had brothers but he cannot remember
their names.He assumes that the family moved to Korpona, Hont County (now
Krupina, Slovakia).
*Can you advise me what to do in order to get more info about my ggfather
family?*
N. Farkas married Kohn Frida in unknown date. They lived in Losonc (now
Lucenec, Slovakia) where two of their children were born: Gyula and Vilma.
They moved to Kormoczbanya, Bars County (now Kremnica, Slovakia) where two
of their children were born: my gmother Jolan-Frumet (1895) and Artur
(1898).
They moved (perhaps during world war one) to Budapest where they run a
coffee shop.
Neumann Farkas died in Budapest, 1933.
Kohn Frida died in Dregelypalank in 1942.

Siblings:
Gyula changed his name to Nemes, married Iren Hupert and lived in Pelsoc,
Gomor es Kis-Hont County (now Plesivec, Slovakia). They had a son named
Endre. Gyula and Iren perished in the holocaust. Endre immigrated to USA and
lived in Chicago. We lost contact with him during the 60'. *How can I find
any info about Nemes Endre?*
Vilma married Kalman Fischer >from Banska Bystrica (Slovakia) and lived in
Pest. Kalman disappear in 1944. Their son Tibor came back >from the Russian
front married and had two sons. I don’t know his wife and boys names. Tibor
died in the 50' and Vilma in the 60'.
My gmother married Rezso Hochfelder in 1916. Both died in the holocaust.
Artur died in world war one.

*Does it sound familiar to anyone? Any advise how to get further
information?*

Esther Levinson
Beer Sheeva, Israel
levinson@...

Hungarian Language Help #hungary

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

I have been working on a translation guide that can be used with Hungarian
post-1895 civil records, so that I (and others) can understand all the
entries on the forms used. Not all of the words or terms encountered
could be translated by the online dictionary I use
(http://consulting.medios.fi/dictionary/).

I need someone who knows Hungarian to look at the guide, to fill in the
translations that I could not, and to look over the translations that I have
done to ensure that they are correct and convey the correct meaning.

If you would be able to help, please contact me off-list at
Samara99@.... What I would be sending to you would be a three-page
spreadsheet that is 27 KB in size.

Thanks for your help.

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@...

Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian Language Help #hungary

Sam Schleman <Samara99@...>
 

I have been working on a translation guide that can be used with Hungarian
post-1895 civil records, so that I (and others) can understand all the
entries on the forms used. Not all of the words or terms encountered
could be translated by the online dictionary I use
(http://consulting.medios.fi/dictionary/).

I need someone who knows Hungarian to look at the guide, to fill in the
translations that I could not, and to look over the translations that I have
done to ensure that they are correct and convey the correct meaning.

If you would be able to help, please contact me off-list at
Samara99@.... What I would be sending to you would be a three-page
spreadsheet that is 27 KB in size.

Thanks for your help.

Sam Schleman
Malvern, PA
Samara99@...

Hungarian Genetic Groups #hungary

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
 

Okay, can someone explain to me, having descended >from a Hungarian
speaking grandmother (great grandparents >from the same town) how I
wound up mtDNA Haplogroup A??? Leslie Weinberg


H-SIG Digest for Monday, April 17, 2006.

1. Haplogroup K
2. Using census data in AHD
3. Re: DNA and Hungarian

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Subject: Haplogroup K
From: Vivian Kahn <vkahn@...>
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:58:41 -0700
X-Message-Number: 1

Dear Ethel,

All of my grandparents and my father were born in pre-Trianon
Hungary. My mother was born in NYC a few years after her parents
arrived. I am Haplogroup K and have the same mutations that are
shared by many other Ashkenazi Jews. Some lived in Hungary, others
in the Ukraine, Russia, Lithuania, and other places where Ashkenazi
Jews settled. I'm not inclined to share my medical history with the
world but find genetic research of interest because it may help us
to trace migration patterns.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Hungarian Genetic Groups #hungary

Leslie Weinberg <lbw50@...>
 

Okay, can someone explain to me, having descended >from a Hungarian
speaking grandmother (great grandparents >from the same town) how I
wound up mtDNA Haplogroup A??? Leslie Weinberg


H-SIG Digest for Monday, April 17, 2006.

1. Haplogroup K
2. Using census data in AHD
3. Re: DNA and Hungarian

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Haplogroup K
From: Vivian Kahn <vkahn@...>
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:58:41 -0700
X-Message-Number: 1

Dear Ethel,

All of my grandparents and my father were born in pre-Trianon
Hungary. My mother was born in NYC a few years after her parents
arrived. I am Haplogroup K and have the same mutations that are
shared by many other Ashkenazi Jews. Some lived in Hungary, others
in the Ukraine, Russia, Lithuania, and other places where Ashkenazi
Jews settled. I'm not inclined to share my medical history with the
world but find genetic research of interest because it may help us
to trace migration patterns.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA
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question to Latvia researchers #latvia

Taube Furst Lann <lann@...>
 

Shalom!

I am registered with the JewishGen - Researcher ID 47419 .

I have a question that I would kindly like to ask the Latvia researchers:

My father, Philip FURST (originally Fissel Furst), mentioned often that he
lived in the city of Saratov in Latvia - he was born 5 July 1905 and
emigrated >from Latvia after the 1st World War for the U.S.A. in about 1922 .

However, when trying to locate Saratov, I see that it is in a different
region altogether.

(Saratov is located in the heart of Volga River Valley Region. Once the
capital of the Lower-Volga region, it is now the center of one of the
biggest provinces in Russia. Saratov province is in the southeast of the
East-European plain in the Lower Volga region, in the latitude between 49
48' and 52 49' north. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saratov )

Could it be that during those years, Saratov was indeed a part of Latvia?

Is there more than one city by the name Saratov?

(Other members of my father's family lived in Riga and other Latvian
cities.)


Looking forward to your reply, with many thanks in advance,

Mrs. Taube Furst Lann,
Eilat, Israel

MODERATOR:
----------
Try JewishGen's ShtetlSeeker:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/LocTown.asp
and remember that the spelling might very well differ!

Latvia SIG #Latvia question to Latvia researchers #latvia

Taube Furst Lann <lann@...>
 

Shalom!

I am registered with the JewishGen - Researcher ID 47419 .

I have a question that I would kindly like to ask the Latvia researchers:

My father, Philip FURST (originally Fissel Furst), mentioned often that he
lived in the city of Saratov in Latvia - he was born 5 July 1905 and
emigrated >from Latvia after the 1st World War for the U.S.A. in about 1922 .

However, when trying to locate Saratov, I see that it is in a different
region altogether.

(Saratov is located in the heart of Volga River Valley Region. Once the
capital of the Lower-Volga region, it is now the center of one of the
biggest provinces in Russia. Saratov province is in the southeast of the
East-European plain in the Lower Volga region, in the latitude between 49
48' and 52 49' north. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saratov )

Could it be that during those years, Saratov was indeed a part of Latvia?

Is there more than one city by the name Saratov?

(Other members of my father's family lived in Riga and other Latvian
cities.)


Looking forward to your reply, with many thanks in advance,

Mrs. Taube Furst Lann,
Eilat, Israel

MODERATOR:
----------
Try JewishGen's ShtetlSeeker:
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/LocTown.asp
and remember that the spelling might very well differ!

Lewin WEISS (1809, Danzig-1848, Berlin) #danzig #gdansk #germany #poland

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Some references to the 1848 March revolution in Berlin list "the student
from Danzig" among the dead. An article about this "student," Lewin WEISS
(1809, Danzig-1848, Berlin), "Der Student aus Danzig," by Heinz Warnecke,
was published in Berlinische Monatsschrift 1998/3 and is available online,
in German, at

http://www.berlinische-monatsschrift.de/bms/bmstext/9803prof.htm.

Best wishes for Passover,

Logan Kleinwaks
Coordinator, JewishGen Danzig/Gdansk SIG
kleinwaks@...
near Washington, D.C.

Danzig/Gedansk SIG #Danzig #Gdansk #Germany #Poland Lewin WEISS (1809, Danzig-1848, Berlin) #danzig #gdansk #germany #poland

Logan J. Kleinwaks
 

Some references to the 1848 March revolution in Berlin list "the student
from Danzig" among the dead. An article about this "student," Lewin WEISS
(1809, Danzig-1848, Berlin), "Der Student aus Danzig," by Heinz Warnecke,
was published in Berlinische Monatsschrift 1998/3 and is available online,
in German, at

http://www.berlinische-monatsschrift.de/bms/bmstext/9803prof.htm.

Best wishes for Passover,

Logan Kleinwaks
Coordinator, JewishGen Danzig/Gdansk SIG
kleinwaks@...
near Washington, D.C.

Cemeteries in Danzig #danzig #gdansk #germany #poland

A & B Algaze <Algaze@...>
 

I was connected by e-mail to another researcher who was born and spent his
childhood in Danzig. In response to my question about finding Jewish
information for the period >from the early and mid 1800's, he sent me the
following. I am copying it here with his permission.

Barbara Algaze
Los Angeles, California
Algaze@...

Danzig however had at least already two Jewish communities during that
period. One was in the so-called area called Mattenbuden and was relatively
orthodox, the other was the main Danzig community, was larger and somewhat
more assimilated. I do not know whether pre-World War I Jewish records
comprised data >from both communities. I do believe that they had separate
cemeteries.

The main Jewish cemetery in Danzig was almost destroyed by Polish insurgents
after World War II, tho' most local people in Danzig (Gdansk) today
attribute the destruction to the Nazis. The oldest section of this
cemetery, dating to the late 1700s and 1800s was not destroyed, because
graves were not marked by gravestones above the ground. People were buried
in what appears to be stone or cement graves, the tops of which are even
with the surface and contain Hebrew inscriptions, incl. names. Hence, they
were not destroyed by the insurgents.

Unfortunately, they are not readily accessible today >from the site that used
to be the later section of the cemetery which was destroyed. The way to
reach the section that survived is easiest >from an alternative street, but
most local people do not even know that. I mention all this because that
section might be the source for further interest by you. I do not know
whether there are records or lists of people buried there. I know even less
about the cemetery relating to the Mattenbude community, I do not know if
any of it survived.

He wrote an article on this topic which was printed in Zichron Note,
(Journal of the Jewish Genealogical Society of San Francisco) vol. XI, nr.
2, page 8, in the Summer of 1991.

Danzig/Gedansk SIG #Danzig #Gdansk #Germany #Poland Cemeteries in Danzig #danzig #gdansk #germany #poland

A & B Algaze <Algaze@...>
 

I was connected by e-mail to another researcher who was born and spent his
childhood in Danzig. In response to my question about finding Jewish
information for the period >from the early and mid 1800's, he sent me the
following. I am copying it here with his permission.

Barbara Algaze
Los Angeles, California
Algaze@...

Danzig however had at least already two Jewish communities during that
period. One was in the so-called area called Mattenbuden and was relatively
orthodox, the other was the main Danzig community, was larger and somewhat
more assimilated. I do not know whether pre-World War I Jewish records
comprised data >from both communities. I do believe that they had separate
cemeteries.

The main Jewish cemetery in Danzig was almost destroyed by Polish insurgents
after World War II, tho' most local people in Danzig (Gdansk) today
attribute the destruction to the Nazis. The oldest section of this
cemetery, dating to the late 1700s and 1800s was not destroyed, because
graves were not marked by gravestones above the ground. People were buried
in what appears to be stone or cement graves, the tops of which are even
with the surface and contain Hebrew inscriptions, incl. names. Hence, they
were not destroyed by the insurgents.

Unfortunately, they are not readily accessible today >from the site that used
to be the later section of the cemetery which was destroyed. The way to
reach the section that survived is easiest >from an alternative street, but
most local people do not even know that. I mention all this because that
section might be the source for further interest by you. I do not know
whether there are records or lists of people buried there. I know even less
about the cemetery relating to the Mattenbude community, I do not know if
any of it survived.

He wrote an article on this topic which was printed in Zichron Note,
(Journal of the Jewish Genealogical Society of San Francisco) vol. XI, nr.
2, page 8, in the Summer of 1991.

Re: Uhersky Brod Cemetery Web Site #austria-czech

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

I too have used this valuable resource, without which I would never
have found the gravesites of my great-greatgrandfather David Nowak and his
wife Babette.

I am given to understand that the website was maintained by Geri Prokop,
caretaker of the UB cemetery. He is no longer doing this job and so maybe
this is the reason for the site having lapsed.

However, if you enter the url into the Internet Archive Wayback Machine,

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

the archived website can be partially recovered. Amazing!

I will be visiting UB is a few weeks to see the Nowak graves.

Robert Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@...

From: meretz [mailto:meretz@...]
As my paternal family MAERZ originates >from Uhersky Brod, I have been using
the local cemetery's web site (http://www.uh.brod.cz/kever) for a long time.
Today I again tried, but it did not open any more. Does anybody happen to
know what has happened to this most valuable web site?
Thanks,
Uri Meretz, Israel

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech RE: Uhersky Brod Cemetery Web Site #austria-czech

robert fraser <robertandginafraser@...>
 

I too have used this valuable resource, without which I would never
have found the gravesites of my great-greatgrandfather David Nowak and his
wife Babette.

I am given to understand that the website was maintained by Geri Prokop,
caretaker of the UB cemetery. He is no longer doing this job and so maybe
this is the reason for the site having lapsed.

However, if you enter the url into the Internet Archive Wayback Machine,

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

the archived website can be partially recovered. Amazing!

I will be visiting UB is a few weeks to see the Nowak graves.

Robert Fraser
Dianella, Western Australia
robertandginafraser@...

From: meretz [mailto:meretz@...]
As my paternal family MAERZ originates >from Uhersky Brod, I have been using
the local cemetery's web site (http://www.uh.brod.cz/kever) for a long time.
Today I again tried, but it did not open any more. Does anybody happen to
know what has happened to this most valuable web site?
Thanks,
Uri Meretz, Israel

Early Jewish families in the Tidewater area of Virginia #usa

Charles <rcsonne@...>
 

Seeking research on the early Jewish communities of the Portsmouth, Newport
News, Norfolk and Virginia Beach areas of Virginia. I am researching the
Jacobson family >from Grinkiskis, Lithuania which arrived enmasse abound 1800.
Looking for synagogue & cemetery records, other historical studies and data, etc.

Charles Sonneborn Bethesda, MD <rcsonne@...>

Early American SIG #USA Early Jewish families in the Tidewater area of Virginia #usa

Charles <rcsonne@...>
 

Seeking research on the early Jewish communities of the Portsmouth, Newport
News, Norfolk and Virginia Beach areas of Virginia. I am researching the
Jacobson family >from Grinkiskis, Lithuania which arrived enmasse abound 1800.
Looking for synagogue & cemetery records, other historical studies and data, etc.

Charles Sonneborn Bethesda, MD <rcsonne@...>