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Re: Standards for Family Tree Maker? #general

Randell Weiss <rbweiss@...>
 

<MOkladek@aol.com> wrote in message news:7a848694.24cd246e@aol.com...
Are there any agreed upon standards for inputing data. In particular,
how
could I denote that someone perished in the Holocaust or was a
survivor of
the Holocaust?

I have been putting it in the Place-of-Death field and the Buried
field in my database. In all the cases I have so far, I do not
actually know exactly where and when they died. So rather than put
guess-timates into the Date-of-Death field, I record the date of death
as "Unknown" and the place of death as "WW2". If I am not sure if the
relative died in the holocaust, but he didn't survive the war, I put a
question mark after WW2, "WW2?". In the Buried field, I put a more
readable note, usually "Probably died in the Holocaust".
The advantage of doing it this way is that in an outline of the
family tree or a simple descendant tree with just birth and death
info, it will appear "d: Unknown in WW2", which is clear enough for a
Jewish genealogy what probably happened. The Buried field records the
extent of what I know about what happened to that relative. Another
advantage is that I can search for "WW2" in the Place-of-Death field
to search the database for all such relatives.
So far, I know the names of some relatives who survived the
Holocaust, but I don't know when or where they died (they were stuck
behind the Iron Curtain after the war and contact was lost). Then, I
put "Aft. 1945" in the Date-of-Death field and "Europe" in the
Place-of-Death field. In the Notes field or sometimes in the Military
field I record what little I know of their WW2 experience.
But this is just the way I do it. I don't know of any standard
practice.

Randell Weiss
Medford, Massachusetts
rbweiss@ix.netcom.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Standards for Family Tree Maker? #general

Randell Weiss <rbweiss@...>
 

<MOkladek@aol.com> wrote in message news:7a848694.24cd246e@aol.com...
Are there any agreed upon standards for inputing data. In particular,
how
could I denote that someone perished in the Holocaust or was a
survivor of
the Holocaust?

I have been putting it in the Place-of-Death field and the Buried
field in my database. In all the cases I have so far, I do not
actually know exactly where and when they died. So rather than put
guess-timates into the Date-of-Death field, I record the date of death
as "Unknown" and the place of death as "WW2". If I am not sure if the
relative died in the holocaust, but he didn't survive the war, I put a
question mark after WW2, "WW2?". In the Buried field, I put a more
readable note, usually "Probably died in the Holocaust".
The advantage of doing it this way is that in an outline of the
family tree or a simple descendant tree with just birth and death
info, it will appear "d: Unknown in WW2", which is clear enough for a
Jewish genealogy what probably happened. The Buried field records the
extent of what I know about what happened to that relative. Another
advantage is that I can search for "WW2" in the Place-of-Death field
to search the database for all such relatives.
So far, I know the names of some relatives who survived the
Holocaust, but I don't know when or where they died (they were stuck
behind the Iron Curtain after the war and contact was lost). Then, I
put "Aft. 1945" in the Date-of-Death field and "Europe" in the
Place-of-Death field. In the Notes field or sometimes in the Military
field I record what little I know of their WW2 experience.
But this is just the way I do it. I don't know of any standard
practice.

Randell Weiss
Medford, Massachusetts
rbweiss@ix.netcom.com


Re: Civil War Records #usa

NFatouros@...
 

Dear People,

I am writing in response to Ms. Babette Bloch's inquiry about her
great grandfather who might have served during the (US) Civil War
(message # 25, July 23, 1999).

There is a book called "Where They Lie." It is the story of Jewish Soldiers
of the North and South who were killed, mortally wounded, or who died >from
disease. It is by Mel Young and published by the University Press of America.
ISBN 0-8191-8610-0, (cloth) or ISBN 0-8191-8609-9, paperback. I can't
remember where I saw a copy of the paperback but I noted that it cost only
$10.00. A public or university library may have a copy or be able to order
it though an interlibrary loan. I have also heard of a book, published in
1951 by Bertram Wallace Korn, who wrote a book called "American Jewry and the
Civil War."

For finding records, Ms. Bloch may want to write to:

Abigail H. Schoolman, Associate Archivist, American Jewish Historical
society, 2 Thornton Road, Waltham MA A2154

or to Aaron L. Katchen, MB 0001, Brandeis University , P.O. Box 9110,
Waltham, MA

But I think the archives of the Society and of Brandeis are being, or
have been already moved to the new Jewish History center in New York, so
they may not be accessible for a while.

There are also websites for American Jewish history:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1867

http://www.jewish-history.com/civilwar.htm

Be sure to look at the "Civil war" guestbook because some of the
people who entered comments had ancestors who were Jewish and who fought on
one side or the other in the Civil War. If you are lucky, you may find an
ancestral name you recognize.

Naomi Fatouros
NFatouros@aol.com
B/23/ 99


MODERATOR NOTE: And don't forget JewishGen's own U.S. Civil War
database: http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/civilwar.htm


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Re: Civil War Records #general

NFatouros@...
 

Dear People,

I am writing in response to Ms. Babette Bloch's inquiry about her
great grandfather who might have served during the (US) Civil War
(message # 25, July 23, 1999).

There is a book called "Where They Lie." It is the story of Jewish Soldiers
of the North and South who were killed, mortally wounded, or who died >from
disease. It is by Mel Young and published by the University Press of America.
ISBN 0-8191-8610-0, (cloth) or ISBN 0-8191-8609-9, paperback. I can't
remember where I saw a copy of the paperback but I noted that it cost only
$10.00. A public or university library may have a copy or be able to order
it though an interlibrary loan. I have also heard of a book, published in
1951 by Bertram Wallace Korn, who wrote a book called "American Jewry and the
Civil War."

For finding records, Ms. Bloch may want to write to:

Abigail H. Schoolman, Associate Archivist, American Jewish Historical
society, 2 Thornton Road, Waltham MA A2154

or to Aaron L. Katchen, MB 0001, Brandeis University , P.O. Box 9110,
Waltham, MA

But I think the archives of the Society and of Brandeis are being, or
have been already moved to the new Jewish History center in New York, so
they may not be accessible for a while.

There are also websites for American Jewish history:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1867

http://www.jewish-history.com/civilwar.htm

Be sure to look at the "Civil war" guestbook because some of the
people who entered comments had ancestors who were Jewish and who fought on
one side or the other in the Civil War. If you are lucky, you may find an
ancestral name you recognize.

Naomi Fatouros
NFatouros@aol.com
B/23/ 99


MODERATOR NOTE: And don't forget JewishGen's own U.S. Civil War
database: http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/civilwar.htm


Naming Conventions #belarus

Shana Egan <segan@...>
 

I have been trying to follow the discussion on double given names. I am not
sure that I understand what has been said.

On the Grodno Gubernia 1912 Voters List Database I have found two Ritsenbergs:

Given name: Mordko-Khaim Father's name: Shliomo
Given name: Mordukh Father's name: Khaim

At first I thought that Khaim was the first guy's father's name and that it
was used to distinquish this Mordko >from another one. But obviously his
father's name is Shliomo.

Could this be interpreted as Mordukh being the son of Mordko-Khaim?

Given that Ritsenberg is such an uncommon name, I am sure that these
individuals must be related but maybe the relationship is not that close.

Does anyone have any ideas on this?

Shana Egan
San Diego
segan@san.rr.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Naming Conventions #belarus

Shana Egan <segan@...>
 

I have been trying to follow the discussion on double given names. I am not
sure that I understand what has been said.

On the Grodno Gubernia 1912 Voters List Database I have found two Ritsenbergs:

Given name: Mordko-Khaim Father's name: Shliomo
Given name: Mordukh Father's name: Khaim

At first I thought that Khaim was the first guy's father's name and that it
was used to distinquish this Mordko >from another one. But obviously his
father's name is Shliomo.

Could this be interpreted as Mordukh being the son of Mordko-Khaim?

Given that Ritsenberg is such an uncommon name, I am sure that these
individuals must be related but maybe the relationship is not that close.

Does anyone have any ideas on this?

Shana Egan
San Diego
segan@san.rr.com


Jewish Business in China #general

SelmaN@...
 

Jewish Business in China
N. WAGMAN & Company
Importers/exporters/dressers in brush and weaving of hair and
bristles, had branch office in Tientsin, China. The business was
called "Standard Export Company"; it was a British company. The
company imported pig bristles and hides >from China which were used
for brushes. The business was nationalized by the communists in
1949. The business in China began in 1919 in a factory owned by
the Wagmans. The were able to return to China in 1972 as a result
of Nixon's "ping pong diplomacy". On February 8, 1917 a ticket was
purchased (>from the Rosenbaum Bank, Philadelphia, PA) for Oscar
Wagman to travel to Vancouver, British Columbia. >from there he was
booked on the "Empress of Asia" (Canadian Pacific Line) to Nagasaki
and Yokohama Japan. He went to China, Japan and Siberia again on
9/18/1919 >from Vancouver; he went to Tientsin on 9/11/1921, and
again in 1922. Oscar came >from Kolki (Volhynia Gubernia) in 1911; he
worked with his brother, Nathan WAGMAN, and brother-in-law, Samuel
ZUCK, in the horsehair dressing business in Philadelphia, PA. Does
anyone know anything about the Russian Jews who were in Tientsin,
China in the early part of the 1900s?
Thank you.
Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA
SelmaN@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Business in China #general

SelmaN@...
 

Jewish Business in China
N. WAGMAN & Company
Importers/exporters/dressers in brush and weaving of hair and
bristles, had branch office in Tientsin, China. The business was
called "Standard Export Company"; it was a British company. The
company imported pig bristles and hides >from China which were used
for brushes. The business was nationalized by the communists in
1949. The business in China began in 1919 in a factory owned by
the Wagmans. The were able to return to China in 1972 as a result
of Nixon's "ping pong diplomacy". On February 8, 1917 a ticket was
purchased (>from the Rosenbaum Bank, Philadelphia, PA) for Oscar
Wagman to travel to Vancouver, British Columbia. >from there he was
booked on the "Empress of Asia" (Canadian Pacific Line) to Nagasaki
and Yokohama Japan. He went to China, Japan and Siberia again on
9/18/1919 >from Vancouver; he went to Tientsin on 9/11/1921, and
again in 1922. Oscar came >from Kolki (Volhynia Gubernia) in 1911; he
worked with his brother, Nathan WAGMAN, and brother-in-law, Samuel
ZUCK, in the horsehair dressing business in Philadelphia, PA. Does
anyone know anything about the Russian Jews who were in Tientsin,
China in the early part of the 1900s?
Thank you.
Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA
SelmaN@aol.com


Records Management System #general

Stephanie Lewis <steflewis@...>
 

Dear friends,

Have been away >from the group for about 11 days, on vacation, and
suffering >from withdrawal.

As I prepare to go to NY and try to accomplish lots, I could use some
advice about managing my records. Does anyone have a goot reference to
a book or other information on this topic?? I know there's a seminar
on the subject at the conference, but I could sure use the help _now_.

More specifically, here's my problem. When I started doing this about
a year ago, I set up my own system to organize the records I secured.
Basically it's just file folders in a a box. They are color coded,
red, blue, yellow and green - to reflect that they are part of my
mother's family, my father's family, my spouse's mom's family, his
dad's family. Then they are by the last name of the family member, and
each file contains the records of a couple. Well, that has worked
pretty well, but I'm getting to the point where I need some kind of
chart to show me what kinds of materials I already have, for the
various people - i.e., passenger list, naturalization info, census
info, birth, death, marriage records, etc. etc. etc. It seems like it
should be able to indicate that I have records or that I looked for it
in a particular place and couldn't find it. Maybe some kind of chart?
Does this make sense??

I'd really appreciate any help anyone can provide. I'd hate to waste
valuable time in NY looking for something I already have...

Thanks so much in advance for any help you can send.

Stephanie

Stephanie Whitlon Lewis
Voorhees, New Jersey


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Records Management System #general

Stephanie Lewis <steflewis@...>
 

Dear friends,

Have been away >from the group for about 11 days, on vacation, and
suffering >from withdrawal.

As I prepare to go to NY and try to accomplish lots, I could use some
advice about managing my records. Does anyone have a goot reference to
a book or other information on this topic?? I know there's a seminar
on the subject at the conference, but I could sure use the help _now_.

More specifically, here's my problem. When I started doing this about
a year ago, I set up my own system to organize the records I secured.
Basically it's just file folders in a a box. They are color coded,
red, blue, yellow and green - to reflect that they are part of my
mother's family, my father's family, my spouse's mom's family, his
dad's family. Then they are by the last name of the family member, and
each file contains the records of a couple. Well, that has worked
pretty well, but I'm getting to the point where I need some kind of
chart to show me what kinds of materials I already have, for the
various people - i.e., passenger list, naturalization info, census
info, birth, death, marriage records, etc. etc. etc. It seems like it
should be able to indicate that I have records or that I looked for it
in a particular place and couldn't find it. Maybe some kind of chart?
Does this make sense??

I'd really appreciate any help anyone can provide. I'd hate to waste
valuable time in NY looking for something I already have...

Thanks so much in advance for any help you can send.

Stephanie

Stephanie Whitlon Lewis
Voorhees, New Jersey


LESSER - Brooklyn & Los Angeles - 1955 #general

Kitnick1@...
 

Seeking descendants of David LESSER, born in Brooklyn, NY.
His brother was Benjamin LESSER (b. 26 Jun 1907 Brooklyn
d. 14 Jun 1955 Los Angeles). Their parents were Jennie
(b. 21 Jun 1891 Russia d. 27 Mar 1969 Los Angeles) and Charles
LESSER (b. 15 Mar 1882 d. 14 Jan 1966 Los Angeles).
contact: Steve Kitnick <kitnick1@aol.com>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen LESSER - Brooklyn & Los Angeles - 1955 #general

Kitnick1@...
 

Seeking descendants of David LESSER, born in Brooklyn, NY.
His brother was Benjamin LESSER (b. 26 Jun 1907 Brooklyn
d. 14 Jun 1955 Los Angeles). Their parents were Jennie
(b. 21 Jun 1891 Russia d. 27 Mar 1969 Los Angeles) and Charles
LESSER (b. 15 Mar 1882 d. 14 Jan 1966 Los Angeles).
contact: Steve Kitnick <kitnick1@aol.com>


Supis Zidov #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear all,

Did any one found LDS films containing the Su'pis Z~idov - the census made
of Slovak Jews around 1942 and before deportation? I have the Bardejov list
but was wondering if any other places have been filmed. I was unable to
locate them.

TIA and warm regards
Tom


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Supis Zidov #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear all,

Did any one found LDS films containing the Su'pis Z~idov - the census made
of Slovak Jews around 1942 and before deportation? I have the Bardejov list
but was wondering if any other places have been filmed. I was unable to
locate them.

TIA and warm regards
Tom


Standards for Family Tree Maker? #general

David Cainer <Dcainer@...>
 

Madeleine Okladek wrote:
Are there any agreed upon standards for how
could I denote that someone perished in the Holocaust or was a survivor of
the Holocaust? Perhaps someone can suggest a standard for all of us to use,
apart >from the notes. Then, perhaps this field could be used to find the
survivors and victims of the Holocaust. >>

FamilyTreeMaker has a set of fields called "facts". There are suggested
names for each of these fields but you can call them anything you want. Why
not call one of "Holocaust" and then put either "Survivor" or "Victim" in
the comments field. This would make it possible to base a report on the
contents of this field, which you cannot do if you merely include it in
"Notes"
But I think that this is only useful on a personal basis. The difficulties
of setting standards are:
1. Not everybody uses the same program
2. Not everybody wants to track the same attributes
3. To introduce a new standard successfully would need everyone's agreement
4. Everyone would have to re-work their data.

David Cainer, Knutsford UK
Dcainer@perceptions.demon.co.uk
Searching: ALTSHULER, Alsace/Leeds; CAINER, Wislica Poland; KLEIN,
Fehergayarmat Hungary; SPIVAK, Wislica Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Standards for Family Tree Maker? #general

David Cainer <Dcainer@...>
 

Madeleine Okladek wrote:
Are there any agreed upon standards for how
could I denote that someone perished in the Holocaust or was a survivor of
the Holocaust? Perhaps someone can suggest a standard for all of us to use,
apart >from the notes. Then, perhaps this field could be used to find the
survivors and victims of the Holocaust. >>

FamilyTreeMaker has a set of fields called "facts". There are suggested
names for each of these fields but you can call them anything you want. Why
not call one of "Holocaust" and then put either "Survivor" or "Victim" in
the comments field. This would make it possible to base a report on the
contents of this field, which you cannot do if you merely include it in
"Notes"
But I think that this is only useful on a personal basis. The difficulties
of setting standards are:
1. Not everybody uses the same program
2. Not everybody wants to track the same attributes
3. To introduce a new standard successfully would need everyone's agreement
4. Everyone would have to re-work their data.

David Cainer, Knutsford UK
Dcainer@perceptions.demon.co.uk
Searching: ALTSHULER, Alsace/Leeds; CAINER, Wislica Poland; KLEIN,
Fehergayarmat Hungary; SPIVAK, Wislica Poland


COHEN/RICHMAN 1896 Marriage certificate #general

arlene parnes <arlene@...>
 

I have a marriage certificate for SARAH COHEN and CHARLY RICHMAN,
Sept,5;1896 ===parents: Wolf Cohen and Saly Chefez - Mishkan Israel Cong.,
NYC

If it is of any use to anyone, please be in touch.

I've been looking for SARAH COHEN m: MAX GALEWITZ, parents: WOLF COHEN and
LEAH ADDISS, Sept. 4, 1895 with no luck.

Arlene Parnes, Orlando, FL
Searching:
ARONOWITZ, Russia; Cuba; ASIA, Krements, Poland/Ukraine
COHEN, Russia; Manchester, Eng; EPSTEIN, Russia; GALEWITZ, Vilnius
GROBERG, Vienna; JUVITZER/PARNES; Vishnevets, Poland/Ukraine;
SPIEGELMAN, Ternopol


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen COHEN/RICHMAN 1896 Marriage certificate #general

arlene parnes <arlene@...>
 

I have a marriage certificate for SARAH COHEN and CHARLY RICHMAN,
Sept,5;1896 ===parents: Wolf Cohen and Saly Chefez - Mishkan Israel Cong.,
NYC

If it is of any use to anyone, please be in touch.

I've been looking for SARAH COHEN m: MAX GALEWITZ, parents: WOLF COHEN and
LEAH ADDISS, Sept. 4, 1895 with no luck.

Arlene Parnes, Orlando, FL
Searching:
ARONOWITZ, Russia; Cuba; ASIA, Krements, Poland/Ukraine
COHEN, Russia; Manchester, Eng; EPSTEIN, Russia; GALEWITZ, Vilnius
GROBERG, Vienna; JUVITZER/PARNES; Vishnevets, Poland/Ukraine;
SPIEGELMAN, Ternopol


LIPINSKI, AMBROSE, WAWROSI #general

Catherine J. Duncan <duncanlady@...>
 

I am new to the list and posting my names to the list;
Katherine Lipinski married. ? Ambrose Children:. Lee Ambrose and Mary
Ambrose brn Nov.13,1890 in Brooklyn New York.

Katherine Lipinski married. ? Wawrosi: Children: Frank Wawrosi and
Walter Wawrosi

Mary Ambrose m. Charles Filbert Duncan

Thank You
Catherine Duncan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen LIPINSKI, AMBROSE, WAWROSI #general

Catherine J. Duncan <duncanlady@...>
 

I am new to the list and posting my names to the list;
Katherine Lipinski married. ? Ambrose Children:. Lee Ambrose and Mary
Ambrose brn Nov.13,1890 in Brooklyn New York.

Katherine Lipinski married. ? Wawrosi: Children: Frank Wawrosi and
Walter Wawrosi

Mary Ambrose m. Charles Filbert Duncan

Thank You
Catherine Duncan