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Re: Looking for Vine Court Synagogue. #general

David Ziants <davidz@...>
 

Andrew Levine <5ObaDaLaw2@netscape.net> writes:
I am looking for any information about the Vine Court Synagogue in the
Whitechapel area of London, England. My paternal grandparents Solomon
LEVIN/E and Hannah LEVIN/E (same surnames)were married there
7 Aug 1899.
My grandfather was bar-mitzva in Vine Street Shul in this area in 1920.
I assume (but I may be mistaken) that we are talking about the same
synagogue. My grandparents took me on a tour of the E.End of London approx.
a decade ago, when my grandfather was still alive, and the synagogue
building was still standing at the time but rather derelict. I don't
know what the status is now, and I guess the best bit is for someone who
lives in London to look up Vine Street on the map and then go there to
see if the building still exists. I remember that it wasn't such a
long street.


I am trying to locate any records >from that synagogue or
where their members were buried?
My great-grandparents, who belonged to Vine Street were buried in Edmonton
Burial Grounds. I understand that this belongs to the Federation of
Synagogues, but I don't know whether the Federation have other places.

My grandfather's name was Morris (Moshe) ZIANTS, had seven older sisters.
His parents were Marks (Mordechai) and Alice (Alka) ZIANTS, and the name
was originally ZENETSKI >from the shtetl of Narewka (Narifka) near
Bialystok.

Also researching DAVIDSON (orginally ISHMA) and FREEDMAN both >from Narewka;
these families (at least some thereof) also lived in the East End of
London.

--
David Ziants
Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel


Re: Looking for Vine Court Synagogue. #general

David Kravitz <dkravitz@...>
 

It is normal practise at UK ceremonies to read the complete ketuba in
Aramaic (not Hebrew) and to read an extract in English so I guess it is a
normal one. If the year is 1899, write to the London Beth Din as they
probably issued it. Find the LBD website for further details of their
address. I should add that, in my experience, emails to them go unanswered.
A good contact for gennes at LBD is Charles Tucker.

David Kravitz
Bournemouth, UK

At 11:43 26/10/99 PDT, Andrew Levine wrote:
Dear Jewishgeners

I am looking for any information about the Vine Court Synagogue in the
Whitechapel area of London, England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Looking for Vine Court Synagogue. #general

David Ziants <davidz@...>
 

Andrew Levine <5ObaDaLaw2@netscape.net> writes:
I am looking for any information about the Vine Court Synagogue in the
Whitechapel area of London, England. My paternal grandparents Solomon
LEVIN/E and Hannah LEVIN/E (same surnames)were married there
7 Aug 1899.
My grandfather was bar-mitzva in Vine Street Shul in this area in 1920.
I assume (but I may be mistaken) that we are talking about the same
synagogue. My grandparents took me on a tour of the E.End of London approx.
a decade ago, when my grandfather was still alive, and the synagogue
building was still standing at the time but rather derelict. I don't
know what the status is now, and I guess the best bit is for someone who
lives in London to look up Vine Street on the map and then go there to
see if the building still exists. I remember that it wasn't such a
long street.


I am trying to locate any records >from that synagogue or
where their members were buried?
My great-grandparents, who belonged to Vine Street were buried in Edmonton
Burial Grounds. I understand that this belongs to the Federation of
Synagogues, but I don't know whether the Federation have other places.

My grandfather's name was Morris (Moshe) ZIANTS, had seven older sisters.
His parents were Marks (Mordechai) and Alice (Alka) ZIANTS, and the name
was originally ZENETSKI >from the shtetl of Narewka (Narifka) near
Bialystok.

Also researching DAVIDSON (orginally ISHMA) and FREEDMAN both >from Narewka;
these families (at least some thereof) also lived in the East End of
London.

--
David Ziants
Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Looking for Vine Court Synagogue. #general

David Kravitz <dkravitz@...>
 

It is normal practise at UK ceremonies to read the complete ketuba in
Aramaic (not Hebrew) and to read an extract in English so I guess it is a
normal one. If the year is 1899, write to the London Beth Din as they
probably issued it. Find the LBD website for further details of their
address. I should add that, in my experience, emails to them go unanswered.
A good contact for gennes at LBD is Charles Tucker.

David Kravitz
Bournemouth, UK

At 11:43 26/10/99 PDT, Andrew Levine wrote:
Dear Jewishgeners

I am looking for any information about the Vine Court Synagogue in the
Whitechapel area of London, England


Getting Data from the FBI #general

JPLowens@...
 

Sherribob@aol.com (Sherri Bobish) Wrote:
<Why in 1949 would the FBI want to look at a 70 year old man's
naturalization >from 1902? Has enyone every encountered anything like
this, and can more info on this be obtained >from the FBI or NARA?>

A representative of the FBI spoke at a NY JGS meeting on FBI files and how
to obtain them under the Freedom of Information Act in, I think, Spring,
1998. The lecture would be covered in the Spring '98 edition of DOROT, the
NYJGS journal. I'm sorry I don't have my back issues at hand.

The piece MAY have been picked up and summarized in AVOTAYNU. To ask the
NY JGS about this write to: jgsny@aol.com

I believe that the agent said one has to prove relationship to a person in
order to obtain files on that person.

John Lowens, Point Lookout, NY


Re: London Metropolitan Archives #unitedkingdom

roberta_l_sheps@...
 

Dear Russesll

As you are in the London suburbs, I suggest you get hold of the addresses
of the major synagogue organisations (United Synagogues,Federation, etc),
who will be able to tell you whether they can grant permission, or whether
you have to ask individual synagogues. When I have spoken to people at
the Board of Deputies and the United Synagogue Beth Din (about cemeteries)
the attitude of the people in question was very helpful indeed.

I have been told that the Jewish Yearbook, published towards the end of
the Christian calendar year, is a very useful source of addresses and
other information, although I have never seen one. It is published by
Valentine Mitchell in outer London (it's an 0181 telephone number) and
I believe is usually advertised in the Jewish Chronicle.

Hope this helps,

Roberta Sheps
Colchester, England


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Getting Data from the FBI #general

JPLowens@...
 

Sherribob@aol.com (Sherri Bobish) Wrote:
<Why in 1949 would the FBI want to look at a 70 year old man's
naturalization >from 1902? Has enyone every encountered anything like
this, and can more info on this be obtained >from the FBI or NARA?>

A representative of the FBI spoke at a NY JGS meeting on FBI files and how
to obtain them under the Freedom of Information Act in, I think, Spring,
1998. The lecture would be covered in the Spring '98 edition of DOROT, the
NYJGS journal. I'm sorry I don't have my back issues at hand.

The piece MAY have been picked up and summarized in AVOTAYNU. To ask the
NY JGS about this write to: jgsny@aol.com

I believe that the agent said one has to prove relationship to a person in
order to obtain files on that person.

John Lowens, Point Lookout, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: London Metropolitan Archives #general

roberta_l_sheps@...
 

Dear Russesll

As you are in the London suburbs, I suggest you get hold of the addresses
of the major synagogue organisations (United Synagogues,Federation, etc),
who will be able to tell you whether they can grant permission, or whether
you have to ask individual synagogues. When I have spoken to people at
the Board of Deputies and the United Synagogue Beth Din (about cemeteries)
the attitude of the people in question was very helpful indeed.

I have been told that the Jewish Yearbook, published towards the end of
the Christian calendar year, is a very useful source of addresses and
other information, although I have never seen one. It is published by
Valentine Mitchell in outer London (it's an 0181 telephone number) and
I believe is usually advertised in the Jewish Chronicle.

Hope this helps,

Roberta Sheps
Colchester, England


Pultusk #general

irvin jacobs <ij2729@...>
 

am thinking of visiting pultusk poland. would appreciate any info re:
travel suggestions, where to stay etc.
ijacobs


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Pultusk #general

irvin jacobs <ij2729@...>
 

am thinking of visiting pultusk poland. would appreciate any info re:
travel suggestions, where to stay etc.
ijacobs


Klass #general

Bonnie Klass <peapod@...>
 

I am looking for a Ansel KLASS who came >from Obellia, Lithuiana to Illinois
in the early 1900's My grandfather worked for him and he was his Uncle. Mike
Klass
Bonnie Klass


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Klass #general

Bonnie Klass <peapod@...>
 

I am looking for a Ansel KLASS who came >from Obellia, Lithuiana to Illinois
in the early 1900's My grandfather worked for him and he was his Uncle. Mike
Klass
Bonnie Klass


Names on Tombstones #general

AZ61BROOK@...
 

Hello to all.

I am having a problem figuring out family relationships on a family
cemetery plot.

I went looking for my GGF's grave, and found it on the family plot of his
Daughter-in-law. His son Benjamin CHEIFETZ married Ida ABRAMSON.

This is the confusing part: Ida's stone reads: IDA CHEIFETZ and underneath
her name is the name BRINEN. I assumed that ABRAMSON was her maiden name.
Her Hebrew/Jewish name is written as Chasia Hinde Bat Z'ev Wolf. This
would mean that her father's name was Wolf, correct? This would correspond
to the Wolf ABRAMSON on the plot, who has always been assumed to be her
father.

Next to her is Phillip BRINEN . Phillip's Hebrew/Jewish name is Chaim
Pesach. So, this is NOT her father. He can't be anyway because of the
ages. Is he Ida's second husband?

If someone remarries, after the death of a spouse, would they put their
"second" married name on the stone as well?

Another question. My GGF's grave lies on the corner of this family plot.
His second wife is not there with him. I was hoping to find her there,
since no one knows her name!

There are other women buried on this plot, could it be that she is one of
them and that she was not laid beside him? Wouldn't she be buried with his
last name?? Would she be buried somewhere else?

I tried to make myself as clear as I could, I hope someone can offer some
assistance!

Thanks in advance,
Bonnie Miller


Re: Quarantined on Arrival #general

Rafi Guber
 

The detention documents are found at the end of the microfilm rolls for
each ship. (passenger manifests) The reference number is ususally
on "form 215." When the number is readable, it can be found in the upper
left hand corner of the page.

Rafi Guber


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Names on Tombstones #general

AZ61BROOK@...
 

Hello to all.

I am having a problem figuring out family relationships on a family
cemetery plot.

I went looking for my GGF's grave, and found it on the family plot of his
Daughter-in-law. His son Benjamin CHEIFETZ married Ida ABRAMSON.

This is the confusing part: Ida's stone reads: IDA CHEIFETZ and underneath
her name is the name BRINEN. I assumed that ABRAMSON was her maiden name.
Her Hebrew/Jewish name is written as Chasia Hinde Bat Z'ev Wolf. This
would mean that her father's name was Wolf, correct? This would correspond
to the Wolf ABRAMSON on the plot, who has always been assumed to be her
father.

Next to her is Phillip BRINEN . Phillip's Hebrew/Jewish name is Chaim
Pesach. So, this is NOT her father. He can't be anyway because of the
ages. Is he Ida's second husband?

If someone remarries, after the death of a spouse, would they put their
"second" married name on the stone as well?

Another question. My GGF's grave lies on the corner of this family plot.
His second wife is not there with him. I was hoping to find her there,
since no one knows her name!

There are other women buried on this plot, could it be that she is one of
them and that she was not laid beside him? Wouldn't she be buried with his
last name?? Would she be buried somewhere else?

I tried to make myself as clear as I could, I hope someone can offer some
assistance!

Thanks in advance,
Bonnie Miller


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Quarantined on Arrival #general

Rafi Guber
 

The detention documents are found at the end of the microfilm rolls for
each ship. (passenger manifests) The reference number is ususally
on "form 215." When the number is readable, it can be found in the upper
left hand corner of the page.

Rafi Guber


SS-5 Application: David FINE #general

Ernest Fine <efine@...>
 

I have a copy of the Social Security SS-5 Application for the wrong David
FINE. It's free to anyone whose tree he is in....

David FINE
parents Alan FINE and Ida GENEFSKY
born Poland, March 1884
living in Bedford, MA, on 9/28/1943.

Ernie Fine
Vienna, VA


Voter Registration Records #general

FChenin@...
 

In a message dated 10/26/99 1:07:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Paul Ginsburg
writes:

<< Voter Registration Records >>
In the one case where I researched voter registration records, I called
the Cuyahaga County Board of Elections in Cleveland, Ohio. I was looking
for information on one of my Aunts. I gave the person answering the phone
a name, an address, and a year. I was told that yes she was indeed a
registered voter, What court she had been naturalized in, the date, and
Naturalization Certificate Number.

Fred Chenin
Mayfield Hts, Ohio
Fchenin@aol.com
Searching: BUCHBINDER, KLAPHOLZ/KLAPATZ/KAPNITZ >from Nowy Targ, Chabowka
Galicia; CHENCHINSKY/CHECINSKI,CHESLER,SCHALL >from Pinczow, Poland;
ZYCHICK >from Goshcha Ukraine; and REISMANOVITZ >from Solotvina, Ukraine


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SS-5 Application: David FINE #general

Ernest Fine <efine@...>
 

I have a copy of the Social Security SS-5 Application for the wrong David
FINE. It's free to anyone whose tree he is in....

David FINE
parents Alan FINE and Ida GENEFSKY
born Poland, March 1884
living in Bedford, MA, on 9/28/1943.

Ernie Fine
Vienna, VA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Voter Registration Records #general

FChenin@...
 

In a message dated 10/26/99 1:07:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Paul Ginsburg
writes:

<< Voter Registration Records >>
In the one case where I researched voter registration records, I called
the Cuyahaga County Board of Elections in Cleveland, Ohio. I was looking
for information on one of my Aunts. I gave the person answering the phone
a name, an address, and a year. I was told that yes she was indeed a
registered voter, What court she had been naturalized in, the date, and
Naturalization Certificate Number.

Fred Chenin
Mayfield Hts, Ohio
Fchenin@aol.com
Searching: BUCHBINDER, KLAPHOLZ/KLAPATZ/KAPNITZ >from Nowy Targ, Chabowka
Galicia; CHENCHINSKY/CHECINSKI,CHESLER,SCHALL >from Pinczow, Poland;
ZYCHICK >from Goshcha Ukraine; and REISMANOVITZ >from Solotvina, Ukraine