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Re: TRUPIN #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

At 19:29 09-06-2006, you wrote:
***************************************************************
Dear Donna,

OK, Elsebeth, I'll jump in!
Thanks! - also to others who reacted to my message.

I do not, to my knowledge, have Scandinavian connections. However, my
TRUPIN/TROUPIN/TRUPPIN family in Latvia was close enough to Scandinavia that
perhaps, once upon a time, some folks crossed over.
Could it at times have been spelled TREPIN?
I found a Martin TREPIN in the Danish Demographic Database http://ddd.dda.dk

He was born 1862 in Riga, Latvia, and expelled >from Denmark 31st Jan. 1888 and
sent back to Latvia (Libau).

That is all that I've found in Denmark (going through my own and the online
searchable databases) - maybe someone can find something in the other
Scandinavian
Countries.

I have another reason for monitoring the list. As librarian of the JGS of
Ottawa, I have occasion to assist others in their research; and monitoring
area lists gives me information that may be useful as I assist folks.
You deserve great thanks - I know that is quite a timeconsuming task!

Everyone's contribution, no matter how small, has the potential to assist
someone else in some way. I, too, encourage listers to contribute their
names and places and stories.
Precisely!

Best wishes
Elsebeth


Elsebeth Paikin, President
Jewish Genealogical Society of Denmark:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-denmark/
&
SIG Coordinator and webmaster:
JewishGen's Scandinavia SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia/
mailto:elsebeth@...


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Re: TRUPIN #scandinavia

Elsebeth Paikin
 

At 19:29 09-06-2006, you wrote:
***************************************************************
Dear Donna,

OK, Elsebeth, I'll jump in!
Thanks! - also to others who reacted to my message.

I do not, to my knowledge, have Scandinavian connections. However, my
TRUPIN/TROUPIN/TRUPPIN family in Latvia was close enough to Scandinavia that
perhaps, once upon a time, some folks crossed over.
Could it at times have been spelled TREPIN?
I found a Martin TREPIN in the Danish Demographic Database http://ddd.dda.dk

He was born 1862 in Riga, Latvia, and expelled >from Denmark 31st Jan. 1888 and
sent back to Latvia (Libau).

That is all that I've found in Denmark (going through my own and the online
searchable databases) - maybe someone can find something in the other
Scandinavian
Countries.

I have another reason for monitoring the list. As librarian of the JGS of
Ottawa, I have occasion to assist others in their research; and monitoring
area lists gives me information that may be useful as I assist folks.
You deserve great thanks - I know that is quite a timeconsuming task!

Everyone's contribution, no matter how small, has the potential to assist
someone else in some way. I, too, encourage listers to contribute their
names and places and stories.
Precisely!

Best wishes
Elsebeth


Elsebeth Paikin, President
Jewish Genealogical Society of Denmark:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgs-denmark/
&
SIG Coordinator and webmaster:
JewishGen's Scandinavia SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/scandinavia/
mailto:elsebeth@...


Re: G=F6tgatan_71, Stockholm, Sweden? #scandinavia

William Linden <william.linden@...>
 

Dear Steve,

Re. your calling for Götgatan 71.

At Götgatan 71 there is one Phographer in the Yellow Pages . He has abt
160,000 matches on Googles.

www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=hans+gedda&btnG=Google-s%C3%B6kning&meta=

His name is Hans Gedda and he is a world wide renowned Portrait
Photographer widely written about here as well i.e. Mr. Nelson Mandela
and the personal Photographer to our former Prime Minister Olof Pame,
assassined. He is born 1942 and works upon appointments in his studio at
Götgatan 71 in the South and very busy part of central Stockholm at a
very good location right in the middle of it all: "The Stockholm Södermalm"

I have called Mr. Gedda on phone and have the following information for you:

The house Götgatan 71 was constructed around the Millennium 1899/1900.
At the time there was a Photo Atelier exactly there Mr. Gedda has been
told by elderly customers.

After that the atelier was possessd by our famous Jewish Hungarian
Immigrant and painter Mr. Endre Nemes, now deseased and the studio was
transferred to his friend Mr. Gedda.

Mr. Gedda will meet the Photographer Lennart Nilsson this week. I assume
you meant _The_ Lennart Nilsson.

If you need support here I'll do what I can.

And in case you know anything about the three Sweden Immigrants
1800-1815 Jewellers Friedrich Heinrich ( Isaac??) STURM *1796 and Caspar
David _Ludwig_ STURM * 1786 or the Tailor Jacob STURM married in
Stockholm 1803 pls do not hesitate to give me an email as I'm so far
unable to locate any of their parents in their European country of
origin, Germany, Poland, Austria the Baltics or elsewhere though years
of reserarch. I know more or less everything about STURM/STORM
immigrants to the USA but I lack my personal family link of these three
gentlemen backwards in line.



Good Luck at Götgatan 71 !

Best regards

William Linden
Inventor, Internet Security to
InternetBanking & e-comm

william.linden@...


Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Re: G=F6tgatan_71, Stockholm, Sweden? #scandinavia

William Linden <william.linden@...>
 

Dear Steve,

Re. your calling for Götgatan 71.

At Götgatan 71 there is one Phographer in the Yellow Pages . He has abt
160,000 matches on Googles.

www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=hans+gedda&btnG=Google-s%C3%B6kning&meta=

His name is Hans Gedda and he is a world wide renowned Portrait
Photographer widely written about here as well i.e. Mr. Nelson Mandela
and the personal Photographer to our former Prime Minister Olof Pame,
assassined. He is born 1942 and works upon appointments in his studio at
Götgatan 71 in the South and very busy part of central Stockholm at a
very good location right in the middle of it all: "The Stockholm Södermalm"

I have called Mr. Gedda on phone and have the following information for you:

The house Götgatan 71 was constructed around the Millennium 1899/1900.
At the time there was a Photo Atelier exactly there Mr. Gedda has been
told by elderly customers.

After that the atelier was possessd by our famous Jewish Hungarian
Immigrant and painter Mr. Endre Nemes, now deseased and the studio was
transferred to his friend Mr. Gedda.

Mr. Gedda will meet the Photographer Lennart Nilsson this week. I assume
you meant _The_ Lennart Nilsson.

If you need support here I'll do what I can.

And in case you know anything about the three Sweden Immigrants
1800-1815 Jewellers Friedrich Heinrich ( Isaac??) STURM *1796 and Caspar
David _Ludwig_ STURM * 1786 or the Tailor Jacob STURM married in
Stockholm 1803 pls do not hesitate to give me an email as I'm so far
unable to locate any of their parents in their European country of
origin, Germany, Poland, Austria the Baltics or elsewhere though years
of reserarch. I know more or less everything about STURM/STORM
immigrants to the USA but I lack my personal family link of these three
gentlemen backwards in line.



Good Luck at Götgatan 71 !

Best regards

William Linden
Inventor, Internet Security to
InternetBanking & e-comm

william.linden@...


The Changing Borders of .......... NY Cemeteries! (aka Cypress Hills Cemetery) #general

David Priever
 

Dear Fellow Jewishgenners,

We are all very cognizant of the border changes that have occured for many
of us in our ancestral countries. But I finally confirmed a border change
that *may* effect those who have been unable to locate the cemetery an
ancestor is interred in when the death certificate says "Cypress Hills
Cemetery (CHC)".

from previous postings to Jewishgen by myself and various other
Jewishgenners, it is known that Cypress Hills Cemetery is in the Brooklyn
neighborhood known as Cypress Hills. Cypress Hills (Brooklyn) and the
Woodhaven neighborhood of Queens are next to each other.

Many early death certificates say Cypress Hills and a researcher has often
been told by Cypress Hills Cemetery that their ancestor is *not* there.

Cypress Hills Cemetery is surrounded by the following Jewish Cemeteries: to
the east, Maimonides and east of Maimonides, Mt. Hope. North of Cypress
Hills is Mt. Carmel, Mt. Neboh and New Mt. Carmel. New Mt. Carmel extends
to Myrtle Ave. and is just north of Mt. Carmel Cemetery. These two
cemeteries have their entrances on Cypress Hills St (1). Also north and to
the east of CHC, with its entrance along Myrtle Ave. (and located in
Glendale (Queens County), NY is Mt. Lebanon Cemetery.

I was told that the fence that separates Maimonides and Cypress Hills
Cemeteries was moved. A matter of fact, one of the 12 CHC Jewish sections
that border the Maimonides Cemetery fence is called.....Maimonides*.
Further to this point, Mt. Carmel and Mt. Lebanon Cemeteries fences were
also moved many, many years ago which means burials not located in CHC may
be in either Maimonides, Mt. Carmel or Mt. Lebanon Cemeteries.

All this information was given to me by a CHC employee who was very helpful
to me as I tried to help someone who was searching for an 1890-93 burial.

*I have visually confirmed that family names across the fence in Maimonides
Cemetery are the same as those in the adjacent section in CDC. The names
noted were not common names but were names that *could not* have been
coincidental to be on separate sides of the fence.

I truly hope this information helps those who still may have missing burials
when an old death certificate says "Cypress Hills Cemetery". *And* I hope I
have not totally confused the Jewish genealogical community!

Sincerely,

David J. Priever
brooklyn1960@...

footnote (1): For informational purposes only, across Cypress Hills St. and
not effected by the Cypress Hills Cemetery border changes are the following
cemeteries: Salem Fields, Beth Olam, Hungarian Union Fields and Machpelah.
West of Hungarian Union Fields is Union Fields and the northern entrance to
Mt. Judah Cemetery.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The Changing Borders of .......... NY Cemeteries! (aka Cypress Hills Cemetery) #general

David Priever
 

Dear Fellow Jewishgenners,

We are all very cognizant of the border changes that have occured for many
of us in our ancestral countries. But I finally confirmed a border change
that *may* effect those who have been unable to locate the cemetery an
ancestor is interred in when the death certificate says "Cypress Hills
Cemetery (CHC)".

from previous postings to Jewishgen by myself and various other
Jewishgenners, it is known that Cypress Hills Cemetery is in the Brooklyn
neighborhood known as Cypress Hills. Cypress Hills (Brooklyn) and the
Woodhaven neighborhood of Queens are next to each other.

Many early death certificates say Cypress Hills and a researcher has often
been told by Cypress Hills Cemetery that their ancestor is *not* there.

Cypress Hills Cemetery is surrounded by the following Jewish Cemeteries: to
the east, Maimonides and east of Maimonides, Mt. Hope. North of Cypress
Hills is Mt. Carmel, Mt. Neboh and New Mt. Carmel. New Mt. Carmel extends
to Myrtle Ave. and is just north of Mt. Carmel Cemetery. These two
cemeteries have their entrances on Cypress Hills St (1). Also north and to
the east of CHC, with its entrance along Myrtle Ave. (and located in
Glendale (Queens County), NY is Mt. Lebanon Cemetery.

I was told that the fence that separates Maimonides and Cypress Hills
Cemeteries was moved. A matter of fact, one of the 12 CHC Jewish sections
that border the Maimonides Cemetery fence is called.....Maimonides*.
Further to this point, Mt. Carmel and Mt. Lebanon Cemeteries fences were
also moved many, many years ago which means burials not located in CHC may
be in either Maimonides, Mt. Carmel or Mt. Lebanon Cemeteries.

All this information was given to me by a CHC employee who was very helpful
to me as I tried to help someone who was searching for an 1890-93 burial.

*I have visually confirmed that family names across the fence in Maimonides
Cemetery are the same as those in the adjacent section in CDC. The names
noted were not common names but were names that *could not* have been
coincidental to be on separate sides of the fence.

I truly hope this information helps those who still may have missing burials
when an old death certificate says "Cypress Hills Cemetery". *And* I hope I
have not totally confused the Jewish genealogical community!

Sincerely,

David J. Priever
brooklyn1960@...

footnote (1): For informational purposes only, across Cypress Hills St. and
not effected by the Cypress Hills Cemetery border changes are the following
cemeteries: Salem Fields, Beth Olam, Hungarian Union Fields and Machpelah.
West of Hungarian Union Fields is Union Fields and the northern entrance to
Mt. Judah Cemetery.


searching for family 1933 France #general

Avigdor&Laia <lbendov@...>
 

Hello,
Can someone help me re: a missing Polish Jewish family who
moved to France in 1933 and may have perished in Treblinka in 1942?
They are cousins of my father and still have one first cousin living in
Israel.
Shlomo ROSOHAZKY / ROSOCHACKA
his wife Rivka and their six children:
Tanchum
Elizabeth
Moshe
Arnon
Anne
Madeline
Originally they lived in Warsaw (Praga).
Any help you can offer will be most welcome.
I do not read French, only English or Hebrew and some Yiddish.

Avigdor Ben-Dov
Yad LeZehava Holocaust Research Institute
Kedumim, Israel
yadzehava@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen searching for family 1933 France #general

Avigdor&Laia <lbendov@...>
 

Hello,
Can someone help me re: a missing Polish Jewish family who
moved to France in 1933 and may have perished in Treblinka in 1942?
They are cousins of my father and still have one first cousin living in
Israel.
Shlomo ROSOHAZKY / ROSOCHACKA
his wife Rivka and their six children:
Tanchum
Elizabeth
Moshe
Arnon
Anne
Madeline
Originally they lived in Warsaw (Praga).
Any help you can offer will be most welcome.
I do not read French, only English or Hebrew and some Yiddish.

Avigdor Ben-Dov
Yad LeZehava Holocaust Research Institute
Kedumim, Israel
yadzehava@...


19th century Posen Province names #general

e l
 

Have you checked Luft, Edward, The Naturalized Jews of the Grand Duchy of
Posen in 1834 and 1835? I found several Posen Province names that you
listed there, including one >from Schrimm. It is available at
<http://www.avotaynu.com/books/posen.htm>.

Edward Luft

Subject: GLASS/GLAS and connections Pr. Poland & Berlin 19thC.
From: "bettina glass" <bettinaglass@...>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:18:41 +1000 X-Message-Number: 4

Still searching: (GLASS/GLAS, Schrimm & Berlin)-(ISAACS, TAPUSCH/TAPULSKI,
Marijampol (Lithuania/Ukraine)-( SHAFFRAN, Poland & England)- (MAIJER/MEYER,
SCHADE, GUTTMANN, Berlin)-(BRAUNSPAHN, SAMTER, Pr.Poland)-(LOHDE, Berlin &
Pr. Stargardt)-(DAVIDSOHN, JOEL, Berlin)-(FARIN, NERRIED, GLASER,
PANKE/BANKE, FABISCH/FEIBUSCH, SCHREIBER, ALMUS, Schrimm).
Some connections
are firm, others are tenuous. If any of these family names link to your
research in any way, please contact privately. Thank you, Bettina Glass, far
north Queensland, Australia.
bettinaglass@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen 19th century Posen Province names #general

e l
 

Have you checked Luft, Edward, The Naturalized Jews of the Grand Duchy of
Posen in 1834 and 1835? I found several Posen Province names that you
listed there, including one >from Schrimm. It is available at
<http://www.avotaynu.com/books/posen.htm>.

Edward Luft

Subject: GLASS/GLAS and connections Pr. Poland & Berlin 19thC.
From: "bettina glass" <bettinaglass@...>
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:18:41 +1000 X-Message-Number: 4

Still searching: (GLASS/GLAS, Schrimm & Berlin)-(ISAACS, TAPUSCH/TAPULSKI,
Marijampol (Lithuania/Ukraine)-( SHAFFRAN, Poland & England)- (MAIJER/MEYER,
SCHADE, GUTTMANN, Berlin)-(BRAUNSPAHN, SAMTER, Pr.Poland)-(LOHDE, Berlin &
Pr. Stargardt)-(DAVIDSOHN, JOEL, Berlin)-(FARIN, NERRIED, GLASER,
PANKE/BANKE, FABISCH/FEIBUSCH, SCHREIBER, ALMUS, Schrimm).
Some connections
are firm, others are tenuous. If any of these family names link to your
research in any way, please contact privately. Thank you, Bettina Glass, far
north Queensland, Australia.
bettinaglass@...


Marijampol ?? #general

bettina glass <bettinaglass@...>
 

Hello Group,

You have been very good at helping to solve my various puzzles. Here is
another one, please. Is anyone familiar with the town of Marijampol in
"Russia" ? I first assumed it was Marijampol in Lithuania and tried the
appropriate LDS microfilm (birth in 1842/44). Unfortunately I find Polish
very difficult to read in the handwritten records and just looked for names,
planning to concentrate on full translations after photocopies were
obtained. I couldn't find anything that looked remotely like *Rachel Isaacs*
for the child, or *Isaac/Isaacs* for the father. I have twice ploughed
through the entire film without success. Since then, I have located another
Marijampol, in Ukraine. Assuming this one would also have been quoted as
"Russia" on an Australian marriage application form in 1881, I have ordered
the appropriate microfilm, same birth date, same names, Mariampol in
Galicia. If anyone else out there has searched either of these films, do you
remember seeing the name *Isaacs*? I can't believe that there were no Isaacs
at all in the Lithuanian town. Maybe they are all in the Ukrainian town and
I will find plenty to choose >from or they are in Lithuania after all and I
just could not identify the names. Any suggestions? Rachel's maiden name has
also been quoted as *Tapulski, or Tapusch*. That is a long way >from
*Isaacs*. Does it prompt anything in anyone's memorybank?

Thank you,
Bettina Glass, far north Queensland, Australia.
bettinaglass@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Marijampol ?? #general

bettina glass <bettinaglass@...>
 

Hello Group,

You have been very good at helping to solve my various puzzles. Here is
another one, please. Is anyone familiar with the town of Marijampol in
"Russia" ? I first assumed it was Marijampol in Lithuania and tried the
appropriate LDS microfilm (birth in 1842/44). Unfortunately I find Polish
very difficult to read in the handwritten records and just looked for names,
planning to concentrate on full translations after photocopies were
obtained. I couldn't find anything that looked remotely like *Rachel Isaacs*
for the child, or *Isaac/Isaacs* for the father. I have twice ploughed
through the entire film without success. Since then, I have located another
Marijampol, in Ukraine. Assuming this one would also have been quoted as
"Russia" on an Australian marriage application form in 1881, I have ordered
the appropriate microfilm, same birth date, same names, Mariampol in
Galicia. If anyone else out there has searched either of these films, do you
remember seeing the name *Isaacs*? I can't believe that there were no Isaacs
at all in the Lithuanian town. Maybe they are all in the Ukrainian town and
I will find plenty to choose >from or they are in Lithuania after all and I
just could not identify the names. Any suggestions? Rachel's maiden name has
also been quoted as *Tapulski, or Tapusch*. That is a long way >from
*Isaacs*. Does it prompt anything in anyone's memorybank?

Thank you,
Bettina Glass, far north Queensland, Australia.
bettinaglass@...


Re: Seeking DARTER Family: European origins #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Christopher Moncrieff writes:
"Is anyone able to help
me trace the Central European origins of the
DARTER family? My paternal grandmother was a Darter.
The family lived in Hertfordshire, England (UK), and
in North London. They were assimilated, secular Jews,
although >from their appearance and habits they were
clearly originally Central Europeans .........

"The name Darter appears to be fairly rare. It is not
English, and there are few if any Darters now in
Britain. The family most likely came to the UK during
the 19th century, in one of the immigrations.

"Initial research on Avotaynu and JewishGen confirms my
belief that they were probably Polish. There also seem
to be links to Galicia."

I was suprised to read Christopher's comments that
DARTER was a fairly rare name and *not English*. There
are certainly DARTER in the England and Wales censuses
every year >from 1841-1901 and in total there are well
over 1,000.

I have rapidly checked through the censuses and some
DARTER are mistranscriptions for PORTER and CARTER.
I can categorically say, however, that nearly 99.9
percent of the entries are of English, Irish and
Welsh ancestry. Had there been many DARTER immigrants
from Central Europe we might have seen them in the
1871 censuses onwards.

In fact, the only sign of foreign-born DARTER I found
was Maria born on the Ionian Island of Lante in 1901;
one or two >from the Cape and significantly this family
in the 1841 census who may well be Jewish - but the
fact the son has the same name as the father makes me
wonder. The first names suggest to me that the may be
of French origin.

Louis DARTER appears to be in the glass business, but
it is hard to decipher. All lived in Prescot,
Lancashire.

Parents:
Louis Darter abt 1799 Foreign Parts
Josephine Darter abt 1802 Foreign Parts

Children:
Mane Darter abt 1827 Foreign Parts
Polina Darter abt 1829 Foreign Parts
Louis Darter abt 1833 - born in UK
Honorine Darter abt 1836 - born in UK
Augusta Darter abt 1839 - born in UK

So this DARTER family came to England between 1830 and
1833 and then mysteriously disappears >from all further
censuses.

I also checked the huge Yad vashem database and there
is ony one DARTER victim, we remember here today:

Source: Yad Vashem Archive Documentation on Romania
(Various archival sources).

Last Name: DARTER
First Name: Herman
Name of Camp: Radauti, Detention Site
Name of Camp: Transnistria, Camp
Material type: list of ghetto/camp inmates from
Romania
Language: Romanian
Source Page number: JM-11.296 # 2

If DARTER is/was a Jewish family name >from Galicia
they certainly were rare - I can find none in the
Jri-pl database nor in Vienna which had many Galician
immigrants.

Celia Male [U.K.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Seeking DARTER Family: European origins #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Christopher Moncrieff writes:
"Is anyone able to help
me trace the Central European origins of the
DARTER family? My paternal grandmother was a Darter.
The family lived in Hertfordshire, England (UK), and
in North London. They were assimilated, secular Jews,
although >from their appearance and habits they were
clearly originally Central Europeans .........

"The name Darter appears to be fairly rare. It is not
English, and there are few if any Darters now in
Britain. The family most likely came to the UK during
the 19th century, in one of the immigrations.

"Initial research on Avotaynu and JewishGen confirms my
belief that they were probably Polish. There also seem
to be links to Galicia."

I was suprised to read Christopher's comments that
DARTER was a fairly rare name and *not English*. There
are certainly DARTER in the England and Wales censuses
every year >from 1841-1901 and in total there are well
over 1,000.

I have rapidly checked through the censuses and some
DARTER are mistranscriptions for PORTER and CARTER.
I can categorically say, however, that nearly 99.9
percent of the entries are of English, Irish and
Welsh ancestry. Had there been many DARTER immigrants
from Central Europe we might have seen them in the
1871 censuses onwards.

In fact, the only sign of foreign-born DARTER I found
was Maria born on the Ionian Island of Lante in 1901;
one or two >from the Cape and significantly this family
in the 1841 census who may well be Jewish - but the
fact the son has the same name as the father makes me
wonder. The first names suggest to me that the may be
of French origin.

Louis DARTER appears to be in the glass business, but
it is hard to decipher. All lived in Prescot,
Lancashire.

Parents:
Louis Darter abt 1799 Foreign Parts
Josephine Darter abt 1802 Foreign Parts

Children:
Mane Darter abt 1827 Foreign Parts
Polina Darter abt 1829 Foreign Parts
Louis Darter abt 1833 - born in UK
Honorine Darter abt 1836 - born in UK
Augusta Darter abt 1839 - born in UK

So this DARTER family came to England between 1830 and
1833 and then mysteriously disappears >from all further
censuses.

I also checked the huge Yad vashem database and there
is ony one DARTER victim, we remember here today:

Source: Yad Vashem Archive Documentation on Romania
(Various archival sources).

Last Name: DARTER
First Name: Herman
Name of Camp: Radauti, Detention Site
Name of Camp: Transnistria, Camp
Material type: list of ghetto/camp inmates from
Romania
Language: Romanian
Source Page number: JM-11.296 # 2

If DARTER is/was a Jewish family name >from Galicia
they certainly were rare - I can find none in the
Jri-pl database nor in Vienna which had many Galician
immigrants.

Celia Male [U.K.]


Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon: June 21st Monthly Meeting #general

Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon (JGSO) invites you, your
family, and friends to our June monthly meeting.

Making use of LDS Resources
Presented by Shirley Bailey

Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2006
Time: 7:30 pm to 9:30 pm
Place: LDS Lakeridge Family History Center
1271 Overlook Drive, Lake Oswego, Oregon
(The FHC is across the street >from Lakeridge High School.
It is in the rear of the LDS Church building. To get there,
take I-5 to I-205. >from I 205 take the first exit
Stafford Rd, left onto Stafford. Continue north about 2 miles.
Turn left at the first signal past the roundabout, onto
Overlook. The Church building is about 2 blocks on the left.)

Shirley Bailey is the Director of the Lakeridge Family History Center.
She will describe the many cd-rom, print, microfilm, and online
resources available at the Mormon Family History Centers, and she will
tell us how these resources can be used to further your family history
research. This event is *free* to all.

To be placed on JGS of Oregon's e-mail distribution list, send an e-mail
message to rondoctor@.... Once you are on the list, you will
receive periodic messages concerning Jewish genealogy. Your name and
e-mail address will not be distributed outside of JGS of Oregon. For
more information about JGSO and its activities, visit the JGSO web site
at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~orjgs/ ,
or call Joan Teller at 503-694-5646.

The JGSO is affiliated with the International Association of Jewish
Genealogical Societies.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon: June 21st Monthly Meeting #general

Ronald D. Doctor <rondoctor@...>
 

The Jewish Genealogical Society of Oregon (JGSO) invites you, your
family, and friends to our June monthly meeting.

Making use of LDS Resources
Presented by Shirley Bailey

Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2006
Time: 7:30 pm to 9:30 pm
Place: LDS Lakeridge Family History Center
1271 Overlook Drive, Lake Oswego, Oregon
(The FHC is across the street >from Lakeridge High School.
It is in the rear of the LDS Church building. To get there,
take I-5 to I-205. >from I 205 take the first exit
Stafford Rd, left onto Stafford. Continue north about 2 miles.
Turn left at the first signal past the roundabout, onto
Overlook. The Church building is about 2 blocks on the left.)

Shirley Bailey is the Director of the Lakeridge Family History Center.
She will describe the many cd-rom, print, microfilm, and online
resources available at the Mormon Family History Centers, and she will
tell us how these resources can be used to further your family history
research. This event is *free* to all.

To be placed on JGS of Oregon's e-mail distribution list, send an e-mail
message to rondoctor@.... Once you are on the list, you will
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How a Jewish soldier in the Austrian army obtains the right to marry in the 1860s. #austria-czech

Pam <pam@...>
 

This is very interesting - and thank you for sharing the info - my own brick
wall has a few chinks in it now that we have hired a prof genealogist in CZ
who lives not too far away >from our MICHALEK ancestors - Belotin, Polom, and
Jesenik n. O. Moravia. We have been able to go back to an Anton MICHALEK m.
to Magdalena FIEBER - both of Belotin, then child Anton m. to Theresia RABEL
with child Anton (2-17-1835) m. to Magdalena SCHRAMM (7-27-1837 of Jesenik
n. O who produced my ggrandfather Josef. We have had so many false leads on
this Josef - but we have finally gotten documentation that he was born
9-15-1864 in Jesenik - however his parents were not married until 1868 - 4
years later - and the ceremony was in Vienna, Austria. We have not been able
to determine why the delay in marriage since both parties lived in the same
hometown and even shared the same house! So maybe, with your info, Anton
Michalek (the 3rd) was in the service and was not allowed to left before
they could get married - and she had to travel to Vienna in order to do so?
At least it might be another clue - as we 'think' and have been told that
MICHALEK could very well be Jewish origin.

If anyone has any insight into where I couldlook in Vienna - or any other
info - it would be appreciated.

thanks!

~Pam Frierdich-Staley~
Warrenton, MO
http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com
http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com
Looking for surnames of BANGERT, CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, DIESEL, DILLON,
FIEBER, FIELDS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, GOLD, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, KRAFT,
MEES/MAES, MENTEL, MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), MITCHELL, PROBST, RABEL, RAPP,
REIS, SCHALLOM, SCHELLHORN, SCHRAMM, SCHUBERT, STALEY, STEPPIG, THOELE,
WEBER

Subject: How a Jewish soldier in the Austrian army obtains the right to
marry in the 1860s.
From: Celia Male <celiamale@...>
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:51:44 -0700 (PDT)

What happened when a Jewish soldier >from far-flung parts of the Habsburg
Empire [Bohemia, Moravia, Hungary, Galicia etc] stationed in Vienna in the
1860s, wished to marry? This question might be impossible to answer today
unless we unearth some "Rules and Regulations" in a military handbook about
just such a situation.


Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech How a Jewish soldier in the Austrian army obtains the right to marry in the 1860s. #austria-czech

Pam <pam@...>
 

This is very interesting - and thank you for sharing the info - my own brick
wall has a few chinks in it now that we have hired a prof genealogist in CZ
who lives not too far away >from our MICHALEK ancestors - Belotin, Polom, and
Jesenik n. O. Moravia. We have been able to go back to an Anton MICHALEK m.
to Magdalena FIEBER - both of Belotin, then child Anton m. to Theresia RABEL
with child Anton (2-17-1835) m. to Magdalena SCHRAMM (7-27-1837 of Jesenik
n. O who produced my ggrandfather Josef. We have had so many false leads on
this Josef - but we have finally gotten documentation that he was born
9-15-1864 in Jesenik - however his parents were not married until 1868 - 4
years later - and the ceremony was in Vienna, Austria. We have not been able
to determine why the delay in marriage since both parties lived in the same
hometown and even shared the same house! So maybe, with your info, Anton
Michalek (the 3rd) was in the service and was not allowed to left before
they could get married - and she had to travel to Vienna in order to do so?
At least it might be another clue - as we 'think' and have been told that
MICHALEK could very well be Jewish origin.

If anyone has any insight into where I couldlook in Vienna - or any other
info - it would be appreciated.

thanks!

~Pam Frierdich-Staley~
Warrenton, MO
http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com
http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com
Looking for surnames of BANGERT, CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, DIESEL, DILLON,
FIEBER, FIELDS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, GOLD, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, KRAFT,
MEES/MAES, MENTEL, MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), MITCHELL, PROBST, RABEL, RAPP,
REIS, SCHALLOM, SCHELLHORN, SCHRAMM, SCHUBERT, STALEY, STEPPIG, THOELE,
WEBER

Subject: How a Jewish soldier in the Austrian army obtains the right to
marry in the 1860s.
From: Celia Male <celiamale@...>
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:51:44 -0700 (PDT)

What happened when a Jewish soldier >from far-flung parts of the Habsburg
Empire [Bohemia, Moravia, Hungary, Galicia etc] stationed in Vienna in the
1860s, wished to marry? This question might be impossible to answer today
unless we unearth some "Rules and Regulations" in a military handbook about
just such a situation.


Re: Czech search engine: Could ROZENBERK be a "sound-alike?" #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

This subject line has now resulted in five postings on a relatively simple
linguistic problem. We should all now know that ROSENBERG and ROZENBERK/
ROZEMBERK are synonymous [although we cannot reproduce the diacriticals
in the Czech spellings].

I am not a Czech-speaker and do not wish to sound repetitive, but before
sending a message to the SIG one should always consult the message archives.
Many of the subjects which a new member may be researching {or alternatively
established members may be starting on a new aspect of their research} may
have been discussed before on our SIG which has been going strong for 8
years. We now have a vast store of data in the message archives.

I recently mentioned that the *Auschwitz suitcase story* was a subject
three Siggers had already tackled. Similarly, the ROSENBERG story could have
been solved by *two mouse clicks* by looking at the Austria-Czech message
archives where we have five postings which appear under a key word search
*ROSENBERG*.

One is entitled: The Jews of Rozmberk [Rosenberg], Bohemia and this
confirms Hanus Grab's reply today.

Using the Austria-Czech message archives, and if you wish to be more
thorough, all the other message archives, definitely enhances research
and results in far more interesting and informative postings. The leads
and head start one obtains >from the archives can be invaluable. One can
refer to previous postings as a reference but extensive re-quotes are
not permitted according to prevailing Jewishgen rules.

Sadly, Yad vashem also provides many clues, and here as a final say on
the subject, let us remember the one ROZENBERK/ROSENBERK listed on this
database:
Name: ROSENBERK Maximilian; DOB: 28/07/1903
Source: Terezinska Pametni Kniha/Theresienstaedter
Gedenkbuch, Terezinska Iniciativa, vol. I-II,
Melantrich, Praha 1995, vol. III Academia Verlag, Prag 2000
1st Transport: Transport Dc >from Praha to Terezin on 09/06/1943
2nd Transport Transport Ds >from Terezin to Auschwitz on 18/12/1943
Victim's status end WWII: Perished

We remember here today, through Max ROSENBERK >from Bohemia, all the
thousands of ROSENBERG of variant spellings - ROIZENBERG, ROZENBERG,
ROSENBERG, ROZEMBERK, ROSENBERK, ROZENBERK who lost their lives in
the holocaust.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote: There is a direct link to our SIG message archives at the end
of our Austria-Czech homepage. The archives can be searched by date order
[to look for any postings you may have missed whilst away], keyword
or author.


Re: How a Jewish soldier in the Austrian army obtains the right to marry in the 1860s. #austria-czech

Wolf-Erich Eckstein <w.eckstein@...>
 

1. Was this renunciation demanded >from all brides or only Jewish brides?
What exactly were the benefits she renounced - pensions etc?
Yes, >from all, not only Jewish, and yes, pensions.

2. Did Wolf marry in a synagogue in Vienna? If so, his marriage should be
registered at the Israelitische Kultusgemeinde [IKG] and we should be able
to find it.
Yes, he did, and yes, it's registered.

Wolf-Erich Eckstein
Vienna/AUSTRIA