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Re: Americanized names #galicia

ROBERT WEISS
 

In a message dated 1/8/0 10:56:14 PM, Arlene Waters <carthay@linkonline.net>
writes:

<< I need possible Americanized versions. If you have come across these
names and have any suggestions, I would really appreciate them.

1. Bos Tsayon (is this name male or female? is there an Americanized
version?) Sounds like BasTzion, female version of BenTzion. Americanized
version Betty? Bessie?

2. Tseepa (female name - Americanized version?) Tzippa or Tsipora often
Americanized through its Yiddish version Feiga as Fanny? Birdie?

3. Mordechai (male name - Americanized version?) Morton or Max?

4. Mendel (male name - Americanized version?) Morris?

Just guesses. For more authoritative guesses I suggest that you consult the
work done by Warren Blatt, who looked at the Americanized versions of Jewish
names based on study of a large number of tombstones. Or the work of
Professor Jerry Esterson in Israel, who is doing similar studies.

Robert Weiss in Northridge, CA
RWeissJGS@aol.com

[MODERATOR note: I think we can conclude that there is no one-to-one
relationship between Hebrew/Yiddish/English names. Educated guesses are
the best anyone can do and many have been given.
This thread is now closed.]


Where's Cuxhaven #general

SelmaN@...
 

The S.S. "Araguaya" of the Royal Mail Steam Packet Co. (line)
left "Cuxhaven" on December 6, 1922, and arrived in New York on
December 19, 1922 (according to the manifest). According to
Morton Allen, the ship left >from Hamburg. Does anyone know
where and what Cuxhaven is?
Thanks!
Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA USA
SelmaN@aol.com


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Americanized names #galicia

ROBERT WEISS
 

In a message dated 1/8/0 10:56:14 PM, Arlene Waters <carthay@linkonline.net>
writes:

<< I need possible Americanized versions. If you have come across these
names and have any suggestions, I would really appreciate them.

1. Bos Tsayon (is this name male or female? is there an Americanized
version?) Sounds like BasTzion, female version of BenTzion. Americanized
version Betty? Bessie?

2. Tseepa (female name - Americanized version?) Tzippa or Tsipora often
Americanized through its Yiddish version Feiga as Fanny? Birdie?

3. Mordechai (male name - Americanized version?) Morton or Max?

4. Mendel (male name - Americanized version?) Morris?

Just guesses. For more authoritative guesses I suggest that you consult the
work done by Warren Blatt, who looked at the Americanized versions of Jewish
names based on study of a large number of tombstones. Or the work of
Professor Jerry Esterson in Israel, who is doing similar studies.

Robert Weiss in Northridge, CA
RWeissJGS@aol.com

[MODERATOR note: I think we can conclude that there is no one-to-one
relationship between Hebrew/Yiddish/English names. Educated guesses are
the best anyone can do and many have been given.
This thread is now closed.]


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Where's Cuxhaven #general

SelmaN@...
 

The S.S. "Araguaya" of the Royal Mail Steam Packet Co. (line)
left "Cuxhaven" on December 6, 1922, and arrived in New York on
December 19, 1922 (according to the manifest). According to
Morton Allen, the ship left >from Hamburg. Does anyone know
where and what Cuxhaven is?
Thanks!
Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA USA
SelmaN@aol.com


Re: Tomaszow - Poland. LOEWY #general

Hadassah Lipsius <kesher@...>
 

In a recent message Jonathon Borchard asked if there were any records on
Tomaszow, Poland

I have recently discovered that my GGGGGrandmother called LOEWY
(first name not known) died in Tomaszow, Poland October 18, 1836.
Does anyone know if there is a list of deaths for this town >from this
period??

Where can I find out about the town - I don't know anything about it at
all!!

The fact is there are two Tomaszow's in Poland. One is called Tomaszow
Mazowiecki and was in Piotrokow Gubernia and the other is called Tomaszow
Lubelski and was in Lublin Gubernia. Jewish Records Indexing-Poland has
Shtetl CO-OPs for both of these towns. The JRI-Poland database contains
data >from Tomaszow Mazowiecki for the year in question on the database and
it is recommended that the database be checked for a match
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl The source of this data is >from the LDS
microfilmed vital records. However, we are currently working on ordering
from the Piotrokow Polish State Archives the Tomaszow Mazowiecki vital
records >from the years that were not microfilmed by the Mormons. Stay
tuned for more information.

Hadassah Lipsius
Kew Gardens Hills, NY
Tomaszow Mazowiecki
Shtet CO-OP Coordinator
JRI-Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Tomaszow - Poland. LOEWY #general

Hadassah Lipsius <kesher@...>
 

In a recent message Jonathon Borchard asked if there were any records on
Tomaszow, Poland

I have recently discovered that my GGGGGrandmother called LOEWY
(first name not known) died in Tomaszow, Poland October 18, 1836.
Does anyone know if there is a list of deaths for this town >from this
period??

Where can I find out about the town - I don't know anything about it at
all!!

The fact is there are two Tomaszow's in Poland. One is called Tomaszow
Mazowiecki and was in Piotrokow Gubernia and the other is called Tomaszow
Lubelski and was in Lublin Gubernia. Jewish Records Indexing-Poland has
Shtetl CO-OPs for both of these towns. The JRI-Poland database contains
data >from Tomaszow Mazowiecki for the year in question on the database and
it is recommended that the database be checked for a match
http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl The source of this data is >from the LDS
microfilmed vital records. However, we are currently working on ordering
from the Piotrokow Polish State Archives the Tomaszow Mazowiecki vital
records >from the years that were not microfilmed by the Mormons. Stay
tuned for more information.

Hadassah Lipsius
Kew Gardens Hills, NY
Tomaszow Mazowiecki
Shtet CO-OP Coordinator
JRI-Poland


Re: Fink in Sanok #galicia

Debbie Raff <seraff@...>
 

Several people have requested look-ups >from my Sanok book. Most have been
disappointed, including me, I might add! In checking for the surname FINK,
I may have found an interesting link between 2 Galicia newsgroup members,
and thought I would share. :-) [see FINK Jankiel in the information below]

Congrats! Yup, I found FINKs! Not everyone, who has asked me to check has
been so lucky. Even I can't locate any of my family names in this book.

FINK Berl
FINK Ernest
FINK Jakub
FINK Jankiel (there is a group picture on one of the pages with his name.
If the picture relates to the text above it than Jankiel FINK knew Eisig and
Ichel HERZIG(someone in this group had requested information on HERZIGs in
Sanok a couple of days ago)! Can you believe this! The caption begins
"Rada Miejska z r. 1868..." Using my trusty Polish dictionary, it looks
like this is the Sanok Town Council of 1868. The text uses the year 1867,
so maybe Jankiel is not in the picture. In any case, this is an outdoor
picture and the men all look rather dapper in their dress. The quality of
the photo is poor, which won't help with identification.

So, are you excited?
Debbie RAFF
California


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Fink in Sanok #galicia

Debbie Raff <seraff@...>
 

Several people have requested look-ups >from my Sanok book. Most have been
disappointed, including me, I might add! In checking for the surname FINK,
I may have found an interesting link between 2 Galicia newsgroup members,
and thought I would share. :-) [see FINK Jankiel in the information below]

Congrats! Yup, I found FINKs! Not everyone, who has asked me to check has
been so lucky. Even I can't locate any of my family names in this book.

FINK Berl
FINK Ernest
FINK Jakub
FINK Jankiel (there is a group picture on one of the pages with his name.
If the picture relates to the text above it than Jankiel FINK knew Eisig and
Ichel HERZIG(someone in this group had requested information on HERZIGs in
Sanok a couple of days ago)! Can you believe this! The caption begins
"Rada Miejska z r. 1868..." Using my trusty Polish dictionary, it looks
like this is the Sanok Town Council of 1868. The text uses the year 1867,
so maybe Jankiel is not in the picture. In any case, this is an outdoor
picture and the men all look rather dapper in their dress. The quality of
the photo is poor, which won't help with identification.

So, are you excited?
Debbie RAFF
California


Re: Lodz Indices Provide Breakthroughs! #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

In a message dated 1/15/2000 10:25:02 PM EST, abc@netspace.net.au,
Lin Braun writes:

Hello
First, thank you to all the people who have made this happen!!!
Second, I have a real dumb question, I have gone to these lists and found
the relevant names but then I can't seem to be able to access any specific
info. i.e. who married, date of marriage etc. How do I go about getting
this
info?? Thank you very much in advance.
Lin Braun
searching MARKOWITZ,TEMPELHOFF
Lin:

As stated in the Jewish Records Indexing - Poland FAQ (Frequently
Asked Questions):

The goal of JRI-Poland is to help researchers to locate clues and aid
their research by "casting a wide net" into the records of the Jews of
Poland. A search of the JRI-Poland database is only a FIRST STEP
to obtaining additional family information. It is not intended to replace
a search of the actual vital records, but to serve as a finding aid to
help
focus a researcher on areas in which his ancestors might have lived
in 19th century Poland.

I suggest that a review of the FAQ be one of the first pages new researchers
visit. The FAQ is linked at the top of the JRI-Poland home page.

We appreciate your expression of thanks. Of course, there is another
place on the JRI-Poland web site to let you really show your appreciation
and help us continue the giant task we have taken on!

Click on the box "Support the Project" on the home page.

Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records indexing - Poland


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Lodz Indices Provide Breakthroughs! #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

In a message dated 1/15/2000 10:25:02 PM EST, abc@netspace.net.au,
Lin Braun writes:

Hello
First, thank you to all the people who have made this happen!!!
Second, I have a real dumb question, I have gone to these lists and found
the relevant names but then I can't seem to be able to access any specific
info. i.e. who married, date of marriage etc. How do I go about getting
this
info?? Thank you very much in advance.
Lin Braun
searching MARKOWITZ,TEMPELHOFF
Lin:

As stated in the Jewish Records Indexing - Poland FAQ (Frequently
Asked Questions):

The goal of JRI-Poland is to help researchers to locate clues and aid
their research by "casting a wide net" into the records of the Jews of
Poland. A search of the JRI-Poland database is only a FIRST STEP
to obtaining additional family information. It is not intended to replace
a search of the actual vital records, but to serve as a finding aid to
help
focus a researcher on areas in which his ancestors might have lived
in 19th century Poland.

I suggest that a review of the FAQ be one of the first pages new researchers
visit. The FAQ is linked at the top of the JRI-Poland home page.

We appreciate your expression of thanks. Of course, there is another
place on the JRI-Poland web site to let you really show your appreciation
and help us continue the giant task we have taken on!

Click on the box "Support the Project" on the home page.

Stanley Diamond
Project Coordinator, Jewish Records indexing - Poland


Re: Brescan, Russia #general

rokoco1@...
 

Dear Genners:

Today I received the naturalization papers of my mgf David HANDELMAN.
They show that he was born in Brescan, Russia 1873. His last known
place of residence before coming here was Craiova, Romania, and that he
arrived in the port of NY in 1902 on the vessel CONCORIA >from Glasgow,
Scotland. I am particularly interested in his place of birth, but I am
also curious as to ow he would have traveled. I have searched shtetl
seekers and JG archives without finding any info. I would appreciate
any insight anyone can give me.

Thank you,
Bobbi Cohen
San Diego, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Brescan, Russia #general

rokoco1@...
 

Dear Genners:

Today I received the naturalization papers of my mgf David HANDELMAN.
They show that he was born in Brescan, Russia 1873. His last known
place of residence before coming here was Craiova, Romania, and that he
arrived in the port of NY in 1902 on the vessel CONCORIA >from Glasgow,
Scotland. I am particularly interested in his place of birth, but I am
also curious as to ow he would have traveled. I have searched shtetl
seekers and JG archives without finding any info. I would appreciate
any insight anyone can give me.

Thank you,
Bobbi Cohen
San Diego, CA


Re: SPAM on the Discussion Group #general

skydell@...
 

We agree wholeheartedly, it should not have happened...but it
did.
Moderators get tired, lose their concentration, an errant mouse
click, who knows? We have a team of dedicated, hard working
folks who do their very best to avoid this kind of error...so
how about invoking the "rachmonis" factor, and lets move forward.
Whatcha say?

Carol Skydell
Jewishgen Operations


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: SPAM on the Discussion Group #general

skydell@...
 

We agree wholeheartedly, it should not have happened...but it
did.
Moderators get tired, lose their concentration, an errant mouse
click, who knows? We have a team of dedicated, hard working
folks who do their very best to avoid this kind of error...so
how about invoking the "rachmonis" factor, and lets move forward.
Whatcha say?

Carol Skydell
Jewishgen Operations


Using JGFF #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

1) When I first signed on, I entered family names in the Jewish Gen
Family Finder database. I see that most of the group letters are
concerned with just that. If we have the JGFF data base, shouldn't the
searches be conducted principally through its auspices? There seems to be
some redundancy here.
Shirley, there is a great advantage to having these public postings
of surnames. If I go intop JGFF, I will look only for my primary
lines. But maybe I'll see you looking for a second or third cousin
of mine on a public post - someone I'd never see you looking for
on JGFF.

Israel Pickholtz
see the Pikholz Project at http://www.geocities.com/pikholz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Using JGFF #general

IsraelP <zach4v6@...>
 

1) When I first signed on, I entered family names in the Jewish Gen
Family Finder database. I see that most of the group letters are
concerned with just that. If we have the JGFF data base, shouldn't the
searches be conducted principally through its auspices? There seems to be
some redundancy here.
Shirley, there is a great advantage to having these public postings
of surnames. If I go intop JGFF, I will look only for my primary
lines. But maybe I'll see you looking for a second or third cousin
of mine on a public post - someone I'd never see you looking for
on JGFF.

Israel Pickholtz
see the Pikholz Project at http://www.geocities.com/pikholz


Recent posting with subject "Rules and Procedures" #general

Cindy Gallard <dg2286@...>
 

I am writing in reference to the recent posting >from Shirley Pencer re:
the Rothblatt vs Reinblatt entries in JGFF. Following is the response I
sent to her which I believe will explain the situation and, I hope dispel
any concern that false information is purposely being posted to JGFF.

"I read your recent posting to JewishGen and of course, realized you
were referring to me and our correspondence re: Joseph Reinblatt. I
believe that you have misunderstood my response. First, within my own
family there are at least 10 different spelling of our family name.
Because of this whenever I come across a name that might be another
variant of the spelling, I include it in my data base, just in case. I
did not arbitrarily make up the name Joseph Reinblatt, as I believe your
posting implied. Reference to a Joseph Reinblatt was found on LDS film
1550653/ Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society/1884-1952. He arrived in
Philadelphia aboard the SS Merion on Dec. 27, 1909. The entry stated
that he was born in 1878 in Russia and was a married man.

I apologize if I mislead you in my first response to your inquiry as I
was negligent in checking my data base before responding to you. I
should have known better than to have tried to rely upon my memory as I
have over 3000 people post in my computer. Please forgive me, I will try
to be more responsible in the future."
Sincerely, Cindy Gallard


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Recent posting with subject "Rules and Procedures" #general

Cindy Gallard <dg2286@...>
 

I am writing in reference to the recent posting >from Shirley Pencer re:
the Rothblatt vs Reinblatt entries in JGFF. Following is the response I
sent to her which I believe will explain the situation and, I hope dispel
any concern that false information is purposely being posted to JGFF.

"I read your recent posting to JewishGen and of course, realized you
were referring to me and our correspondence re: Joseph Reinblatt. I
believe that you have misunderstood my response. First, within my own
family there are at least 10 different spelling of our family name.
Because of this whenever I come across a name that might be another
variant of the spelling, I include it in my data base, just in case. I
did not arbitrarily make up the name Joseph Reinblatt, as I believe your
posting implied. Reference to a Joseph Reinblatt was found on LDS film
1550653/ Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society/1884-1952. He arrived in
Philadelphia aboard the SS Merion on Dec. 27, 1909. The entry stated
that he was born in 1878 in Russia and was a married man.

I apologize if I mislead you in my first response to your inquiry as I
was negligent in checking my data base before responding to you. I
should have known better than to have tried to rely upon my memory as I
have over 3000 people post in my computer. Please forgive me, I will try
to be more responsible in the future."
Sincerely, Cindy Gallard


Re: rules and procedures #general

Jane Reifer <cluttercontrol@...>
 

Good point! Let's all try and use the JGFF more; after all, it's there
to serve us in precisely the manner that will provide the most results.
A lot can be gleaned >from contacting previous researchers, and, while
you're at it, don't forget to add your own name to the list. I can't
tell you how many valuable connections I've made that way.

Of course, it's understandable that people would want to post their
queries to this group, (and I understand that some people reach this
site >from outside of JewishGen) but we're all missing out if people
don't ALSO connect with the JGFF.

Regarding FTJP, there are two philosophies: wait till you have all
correct information before posting to ensure as much accuracy as
possible, or post as soon as you can, to allow people to start making
connections sooner, even though some will turn out to be in error. I've
come to agree with the second philosophy. If I had waited to get
everything correct, I _still_ wouldn't have anything posted. Every few
months I re-post to correct known mistakes. In line with Shirley
Pencer's concerns, though, I wonder if it's possible to more clearly
state, maybe on the actual results page, that the FTJP is a working,
in-progress, _unverified_ database. Anyone who believes that they are
looking at factual information is certain to be disappointed. I believe
there is no avoiding the occasional disappointments, if we are to get as
much information disseminated as possible. Of course, I completely agree
with Shirley's appeal to posters to at least TRY to have good
information.

By the way, one inconsistency I notice over and over again on the FTJP
is people listing their female relatives by their married names. The
general rule is to list women by their birth (maiden) names. This causes
a huge amount of confusion, so I guess you just have to expect it, and
allow for it...

Jane Ehrlich Reifer
Fullerton, California, USA

Researching: REIFER (Banilov, Davidovka, Monastyriska, Roshch,
Vizhnitsa, Storozhinets, Chernivtsi [all in Ukraine], Israel, USA);
REISCH (Revna & Chernivtsi, Ukraine); ROESSLER / RESSLER (Chernivtsi &
Zhadova, Ukraine, USA); HOROWITZ (Horodenka, Zhadova & Chernivtsi [all
in Ukraine], USA); SPASSER (Panka & Storozhinets, Ukraine); HERZ,
DAVIDSON, SCHOEN (Hungary, USA); EHRLICH (Hungary, Vienna Austria, USA)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: rules and procedures #general

Jane Reifer <cluttercontrol@...>
 

Good point! Let's all try and use the JGFF more; after all, it's there
to serve us in precisely the manner that will provide the most results.
A lot can be gleaned >from contacting previous researchers, and, while
you're at it, don't forget to add your own name to the list. I can't
tell you how many valuable connections I've made that way.

Of course, it's understandable that people would want to post their
queries to this group, (and I understand that some people reach this
site >from outside of JewishGen) but we're all missing out if people
don't ALSO connect with the JGFF.

Regarding FTJP, there are two philosophies: wait till you have all
correct information before posting to ensure as much accuracy as
possible, or post as soon as you can, to allow people to start making
connections sooner, even though some will turn out to be in error. I've
come to agree with the second philosophy. If I had waited to get
everything correct, I _still_ wouldn't have anything posted. Every few
months I re-post to correct known mistakes. In line with Shirley
Pencer's concerns, though, I wonder if it's possible to more clearly
state, maybe on the actual results page, that the FTJP is a working,
in-progress, _unverified_ database. Anyone who believes that they are
looking at factual information is certain to be disappointed. I believe
there is no avoiding the occasional disappointments, if we are to get as
much information disseminated as possible. Of course, I completely agree
with Shirley's appeal to posters to at least TRY to have good
information.

By the way, one inconsistency I notice over and over again on the FTJP
is people listing their female relatives by their married names. The
general rule is to list women by their birth (maiden) names. This causes
a huge amount of confusion, so I guess you just have to expect it, and
allow for it...

Jane Ehrlich Reifer
Fullerton, California, USA

Researching: REIFER (Banilov, Davidovka, Monastyriska, Roshch,
Vizhnitsa, Storozhinets, Chernivtsi [all in Ukraine], Israel, USA);
REISCH (Revna & Chernivtsi, Ukraine); ROESSLER / RESSLER (Chernivtsi &
Zhadova, Ukraine, USA); HOROWITZ (Horodenka, Zhadova & Chernivtsi [all
in Ukraine], USA); SPASSER (Panka & Storozhinets, Ukraine); HERZ,
DAVIDSON, SCHOEN (Hungary, USA); EHRLICH (Hungary, Vienna Austria, USA)