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Galician Records Mystery - Partial Solution #general

Howard Fink <HowGen@...>
 

Last month I posted a message about a mystery related to
indices that JRI-Poland had received for Tarnow, but which
did not match up with any actual records in the Tarnow Archives.
There were two sets of unknown indices: 3240 Births and 2646
Deaths.

As a result of a very intuitive analysis by Marilyn Dornhelm, we
now know the true source of one set of these indices. The Birth
index is actually >from Tarnopol. This is not at all close to
Tarnow geographically, but very close alphabetically. A possible
explanation is that this set of indices was collected with many
other records during war years and then "returned" to the wrong
archive later on, possibly because of a torn or illegible label.
We are going to ask the Archivist to take a closer look. Perhaps
the old label is still there but hard to read or covered up.

This index does not match the index that JRI-Poland already has
for Tarnopol, because the surnames of the new-born child are
sometimes the mother's name rather than the father's (as they
are in the existing Tarnopol index). The given names are an
almost exact match with the previous Tarnopol index. Apparently
the newly discovered, mislabeled index was made using legal
surnames, reflecting whether or not the parents were married in
a civil ceremony, without regard to a religious marriage. We
will be looking at a way to integrate this information with the
Tarnopol index that is on-line already.

On behalf of JRI-Poland, I want to extend our deepest appreciation
to Marilyn Dornhelm for solving this mystery for us. At the same
time I would like to thank the many others who replied with ideas!

I have removed the Tarnopol Births >from the mystery file and placed
a new file containing only the mystery Deaths on-line. The file
also has a list of surnames, sorted both alphabetically and by
frequency. This new Excel file may be downloaded from:
http://www.jri-poland.org/TarnowMysteryDeaths.xls

Please take a second look at the surnames in this revised list and
see if you can help us find the true source of this last set of
records (Deaths 1877-1899, plus a small number through 1942).

Thank you,

Howard Fink
Tarnow Archive Coordinator
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Galician Records Mystery - Partial Solution #general

Howard Fink <HowGen@...>
 

Last month I posted a message about a mystery related to
indices that JRI-Poland had received for Tarnow, but which
did not match up with any actual records in the Tarnow Archives.
There were two sets of unknown indices: 3240 Births and 2646
Deaths.

As a result of a very intuitive analysis by Marilyn Dornhelm, we
now know the true source of one set of these indices. The Birth
index is actually >from Tarnopol. This is not at all close to
Tarnow geographically, but very close alphabetically. A possible
explanation is that this set of indices was collected with many
other records during war years and then "returned" to the wrong
archive later on, possibly because of a torn or illegible label.
We are going to ask the Archivist to take a closer look. Perhaps
the old label is still there but hard to read or covered up.

This index does not match the index that JRI-Poland already has
for Tarnopol, because the surnames of the new-born child are
sometimes the mother's name rather than the father's (as they
are in the existing Tarnopol index). The given names are an
almost exact match with the previous Tarnopol index. Apparently
the newly discovered, mislabeled index was made using legal
surnames, reflecting whether or not the parents were married in
a civil ceremony, without regard to a religious marriage. We
will be looking at a way to integrate this information with the
Tarnopol index that is on-line already.

On behalf of JRI-Poland, I want to extend our deepest appreciation
to Marilyn Dornhelm for solving this mystery for us. At the same
time I would like to thank the many others who replied with ideas!

I have removed the Tarnopol Births >from the mystery file and placed
a new file containing only the mystery Deaths on-line. The file
also has a list of surnames, sorted both alphabetically and by
frequency. This new Excel file may be downloaded from:
http://www.jri-poland.org/TarnowMysteryDeaths.xls

Please take a second look at the surnames in this revised list and
see if you can help us find the true source of this last set of
records (Deaths 1877-1899, plus a small number through 1942).

Thank you,

Howard Fink
Tarnow Archive Coordinator
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland

Fw: Lachwa, Belarus Old Building #belarus

Larry Gaum <lgaum@...>
 

I went to New York library web site and looked for Yizkor books. The
answer
was......SORRY, No such thing. Thanks
Dr. Larry Gaum
Toronto
MODERATOR NOTE: The spelling in the Yizkor database is Lakhva and it is at New York
Public Library among others.

Belarus SIG #Belarus Fw: Lachwa, Belarus Old Building #belarus

Larry Gaum <lgaum@...>
 

I went to New York library web site and looked for Yizkor books. The
answer
was......SORRY, No such thing. Thanks
Dr. Larry Gaum
Toronto
MODERATOR NOTE: The spelling in the Yizkor database is Lakhva and it is at New York
Public Library among others.

Re: Fake email linked to genealogy research? #general

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

There is one supposed legal group >from Canada which sent me a letter
by FedEx [to Israel!] asking me to sign a paper giving them the right
to try to collect reimbursement for family property. They emphasized
that it wouldn't cost me a penny if they didn't succeed. But in
reading between the lines, I realized that they would take everything
that was gained through their "charges for costs". They provided an
email address to write for inquiries. I asked them how they knew my
relationship to those murdered and to give me more specifics. Of
course they never replied. This is like murdering our families twice,
because those of us who are gullible and believe that something is
being done for the family to right the injustices, are just putting
blood money into the pockets of strangers.

Martha Lev-Zion
Israel

From: MBernet@...

==Could you please give us some pointers that would help each of us
recognize this miscreant if we received an e-mail

==a summary of the content of the message, a partial source address, a full
subject line, a partial name of the sender, and just what it was that made
you suspicious--all of these or any of them would help your fellow genealogists
avoid being trapped or tricked.

==Thanks

Michael Bernet, New York

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Fake email linked to genealogy research? #general

Martha LEV-ZION <martha@...>
 

There is one supposed legal group >from Canada which sent me a letter
by FedEx [to Israel!] asking me to sign a paper giving them the right
to try to collect reimbursement for family property. They emphasized
that it wouldn't cost me a penny if they didn't succeed. But in
reading between the lines, I realized that they would take everything
that was gained through their "charges for costs". They provided an
email address to write for inquiries. I asked them how they knew my
relationship to those murdered and to give me more specifics. Of
course they never replied. This is like murdering our families twice,
because those of us who are gullible and believe that something is
being done for the family to right the injustices, are just putting
blood money into the pockets of strangers.

Martha Lev-Zion
Israel

From: MBernet@...

==Could you please give us some pointers that would help each of us
recognize this miscreant if we received an e-mail

==a summary of the content of the message, a partial source address, a full
subject line, a partial name of the sender, and just what it was that made
you suspicious--all of these or any of them would help your fellow genealogists
avoid being trapped or tricked.

==Thanks

Michael Bernet, New York

Abbreviation explanation & translation request (Military rank) #germany

Judith Berlowitz <judigenie@...>
 

Dear Ger-Siggers,
The military ranks for the Jewish soldiers who died in
WWI, listed in the RjF "Denkmalprojekt" site:

http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/Verlustlisten/rjf_wk1.htm

are mostly abbreviated. Some of the abbreviations are
obvious, but I am stumped by "Gftr." I will list all
abbreviations here, in case a generous translator
would care to provide explanations and translations
for other researchers:

Gftr. (+ San. Gftr.)
Lnt., Oberlnt.
Utffz. (+ San. Utffz.)
Vzfeldw.
Vz. Wachtm.

Judith Berlowitz Oakland, California <judigenie@...>

German SIG #Germany Abbreviation explanation & translation request (Military rank) #germany

Judith Berlowitz <judigenie@...>
 

Dear Ger-Siggers,
The military ranks for the Jewish soldiers who died in
WWI, listed in the RjF "Denkmalprojekt" site:

http://www.denkmalprojekt.org/Verlustlisten/rjf_wk1.htm

are mostly abbreviated. Some of the abbreviations are
obvious, but I am stumped by "Gftr." I will list all
abbreviations here, in case a generous translator
would care to provide explanations and translations
for other researchers:

Gftr. (+ San. Gftr.)
Lnt., Oberlnt.
Utffz. (+ San. Utffz.)
Vzfeldw.
Vz. Wachtm.

Judith Berlowitz Oakland, California <judigenie@...>

Re: Fake email linked to genealogy research #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Harvey Kaplan" <harvey@...> wrote

Further to my email re "Fake email linked to genealogy research", I should
point out that, >from my perspective, the enquiries are not"fake". It is
the business practices which I am wary of. Four researchers have made
approaches in the last week about my Gradman family. What I am wary of is
that one of them wants 10% of beneficiaries' share of an unclaimed
inheritance in exchange for pointing them in the right direction, whereas
I reckon that these beneficiaries can claim directly online in England
through the government website:
Nick's reply:

With my Internet provider I can easily supply blocking words/filter (eg
estate) which send any suspect/spam emails to a Bulk folder. I am sure an
inspection of the first such email will provide a suitable word to filter on.
Once one has received an email >from a particular source one can also simply
ignore future emails >from the same source ie don't read them.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Fake email linked to genealogy research #general

Nick <tulse04-news@...>
 

"Harvey Kaplan" <harvey@...> wrote

Further to my email re "Fake email linked to genealogy research", I should
point out that, >from my perspective, the enquiries are not"fake". It is
the business practices which I am wary of. Four researchers have made
approaches in the last week about my Gradman family. What I am wary of is
that one of them wants 10% of beneficiaries' share of an unclaimed
inheritance in exchange for pointing them in the right direction, whereas
I reckon that these beneficiaries can claim directly online in England
through the government website:
Nick's reply:

With my Internet provider I can easily supply blocking words/filter (eg
estate) which send any suspect/spam emails to a Bulk folder. I am sure an
inspection of the first such email will provide a suitable word to filter on.
Once one has received an email >from a particular source one can also simply
ignore future emails >from the same source ie don't read them.

Nick Landau
London, UK

COHNREICH (Anklam, Germany Krajenka, Poland) ATLAS (Wielkie Oczy (near
Lvov/Lemberg), Poland) WEITZMAN (Cracow), WECHSLER(Schwabach, Germany),
THALHEIMER (Mainbernheim, Germany), KOHN/WEISSKOPF (Wallerstein and
Kleinerdlingen,Germany), LANDAU (only adopted
on leaving Russia/Belarus or later)/FREDKIN (?)
(Gomel, Mogilev, Chernigov, Russia/Belarus)

Re: CARO #general

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

Hello,

There was, in the early 19th Century, a Phoebus CARO
in Graaff Reinet, South Africa, a member of the Poznan
CARO family.

Here are notes that I have made about him:

"Graaff Reinet was the location of one of the trading
houses owned by the Mosenthal family, Jews from
Kassel. This store was opened in late 1842 by the
brothers Adolph and Joseph MOSENTHAL and was managed
by Phoebus (Feibusch ) CARO, a Jew >from Posen (now
Poznañ) in Prussian Poland. He was a steerage
passenger on board a ship, the “Waterloo”, bound for
Tasmania, which ran aground off the Cape on the 28th
August 1842. He was one of 90 survivors, and landed
in South Africa destitute . There, he met Adolph and
Joseph MOSENTHAL, and the latter, remembering his own
sad predicament when he had arrived penniless in Cape
Town in 1833, offered CARO employment. CARO ran the
MOSENTHALs’ store in Graaff Reinet, and eventually
became a wealthy and prominent citizen of the town."

If anyone can give me more details about Phoebus
CARO's ancestry, I would be very grateful.

cc to SA SIG

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@...>

Scandinavia SIG #Scandinavia Re: CARO #scandinavia

Adam Yamey <adamandlopa@...>
 

Hello,

There was, in the early 19th Century, a Phoebus CARO
in Graaff Reinet, South Africa, a member of the Poznan
CARO family.

Here are notes that I have made about him:

"Graaff Reinet was the location of one of the trading
houses owned by the Mosenthal family, Jews from
Kassel. This store was opened in late 1842 by the
brothers Adolph and Joseph MOSENTHAL and was managed
by Phoebus (Feibusch ) CARO, a Jew >from Posen (now
Poznañ) in Prussian Poland. He was a steerage
passenger on board a ship, the “Waterloo”, bound for
Tasmania, which ran aground off the Cape on the 28th
August 1842. He was one of 90 survivors, and landed
in South Africa destitute . There, he met Adolph and
Joseph MOSENTHAL, and the latter, remembering his own
sad predicament when he had arrived penniless in Cape
Town in 1833, offered CARO employment. CARO ran the
MOSENTHALs’ store in Graaff Reinet, and eventually
became a wealthy and prominent citizen of the town."

If anyone can give me more details about Phoebus
CARO's ancestry, I would be very grateful.

cc to SA SIG

Adam Yamey, London, UK <adamandlopa@...>

Re: Breznitz in Galicia? #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel asks about the location of a town called
Breznitz - is it in Galicia and if not, could it be the town in
Bohemia?

Breznitz [Breznice], in the Prachiner Kreis [County/District],
Bohemia is 65km SW of Prague. It had an old-established Jewish
community [16th century or earlier] I have the 1793 census - and
there are 21 Jewish families living there. Breznitz was the seat of
the ***District Rabbi***, which was therefore a prestigious position.

The Kreis Rabbiner in 1793 was Moysis MUMELES >from Prague and he had
quite a large family with five sons aged 14-21 and two daughters [10
and 13]. Moysis MUMELES was probably born abt 1745.

I know that many of the rabbis in Bohemia were "imported" from
Galicia and Moravia - so there is no reason that Yossi's relative was
not of Galician origin serving as Kreis Rabbiner before MUMELES.

Earlier censuses and the Jewish Museum Prague will probably be able
to confirm this. The latter has amazing records.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote: The Austria-Czech SIG deals with this region - see
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen re: Breznitz in Galicia? #general

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Yoni Ben-Ari, Efrat, Israel asks about the location of a town called
Breznitz - is it in Galicia and if not, could it be the town in
Bohemia?

Breznitz [Breznice], in the Prachiner Kreis [County/District],
Bohemia is 65km SW of Prague. It had an old-established Jewish
community [16th century or earlier] I have the 1793 census - and
there are 21 Jewish families living there. Breznitz was the seat of
the ***District Rabbi***, which was therefore a prestigious position.

The Kreis Rabbiner in 1793 was Moysis MUMELES >from Prague and he had
quite a large family with five sons aged 14-21 and two daughters [10
and 13]. Moysis MUMELES was probably born abt 1745.

I know that many of the rabbis in Bohemia were "imported" from
Galicia and Moravia - so there is no reason that Yossi's relative was
not of Galician origin serving as Kreis Rabbiner before MUMELES.

Earlier censuses and the Jewish Museum Prague will probably be able
to confirm this. The latter has amazing records.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Footnote: The Austria-Czech SIG deals with this region - see
http://www.jewishgen.org/austriaczech/

emigrants who perished in Yugoslavia #austria-czech

Mathias Hanau
 

Anyone, anywhere who had relatives friends who were emigrants perished in
Yugoslavia? I'm writing a book concerning these refugees, murdered in
Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia. I collected 1700 names of Asutrian, German,
Czechoclovakian, Hungarian refugees. Most of them were on the way to Eretz
(including the Kladovo transport). Many of them that I have on the list are
not written/recorded in any German or Austrian Gendenkbücher. Any info is
worth.
Mathias Hanau

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respons privately

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech emigrants who perished in Yugoslavia #austria-czech

Mathias Hanau
 

Anyone, anywhere who had relatives friends who were emigrants perished in
Yugoslavia? I'm writing a book concerning these refugees, murdered in
Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia. I collected 1700 names of Asutrian, German,
Czechoclovakian, Hungarian refugees. Most of them were on the way to Eretz
(including the Kladovo transport). Many of them that I have on the list are
not written/recorded in any German or Austrian Gendenkbücher. Any info is
worth.
Mathias Hanau

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respons privately

Re: George NEUMANN of Vienna m. Vera of textile & scarf empire #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Lisa Thaler has asked us about George NEUMANN of Vienna,
Austria who died at a relatively young age [Jan. 1962] in NY.

George NEUMANN, his CT-born wife Vera Salaff NEUMANN (d. 1993), and
fellow emigre Frederick Werner HAMM (d. 1960) >from Germany
established the Vera textile company in 1946. "Vera" is best known
for bold scarf designs (c1960s), with a ladybug [ladybird/
Marienkafer] logo - Google "Vera+Scarf"

George NEUMANN was part of the Vienna circle of friends that included
artist Sacha KOLIN, the focus of Lisa's intensive research {Sacha
KOLIN (born 1911 Paris - 1981 NYC; res. -1936 Vienna).

Lisa [we have only ever met on the SIG!] and I have collaborated
successfully before on aspects of Sacha KOLIN's life and you can see
the messages in the SIG archives. After a flurry of emails last
night, I was able to confirm that the father of George NEUMANN was
Emanuel NEUMANN >from Vienna - dob 14 May 1879 and these are either
his children [siblings of George] or his nephews and nieces - Ernst
is probably a cousin. These other NEUMANN may be serendipitously
linked to Emanuel, but it is unlikely:

NEUMANN Max 22 Dec 1909; NEUMANN Lisbeth 11 Nov 1910; NEUMANN Ernst
20 Jan 1879.

So if you know about any of the above, it would be a great help.
George sadly predeceased his father Emanuel in NY.

Tragically we can read that Ernst on "Letter to the Stars" that Ernst
was born in Vienna and his last known address was: Wien 1, Kohlmarkt
5/6. He was deported to Theresienstadt on 10.09.1942 and there is no
further information on his fate. On Yad vashem we read more:

"Transport IV/10 >from Wien to Terezin on 11/09/1942" and then
"Transport Et >from Terezin to Auschwitz on 23/10/1944"

Two other people were deported >from this address, but I suspect they
were fellow residents in the apartment block not relatives:

Julie DOCTOR born 28.02.1869 in ?
Franz WEINBERGER born 28.02.1897 in ?

We remember them all here today and all the many NEUMANN victims on
Yad vashem.

I have a probable address for Ing. Emanuel NEUMANN in the prestigious
Cottage district of Vienna - Haizingergasse 43, Vienna XIII; so we
should be able to get more data now. Incidentally [or perhaps that is
how Sacha and Georg met as children?] it is very close to the
Weimarerstr. address where Sacha and her family lived! Sacha, George
and his siblings probably all played together in the lovely
Turkenschanz Park where I am sure they saw lots of *ladybirds*!

Ing. Emanuel was the Director of the *Sabel Electrical Light and
Power Installation Co" in Vienna - so another possible link with
Sacha's father Julius KOLIN who was himself a mechanical engineer:
see www.sachakolin.com

Lisa has miraculously retrieved Emanuel's WWII registration where it
appears he is an engineer {machinist?] in 1942 so I am hopeful I have
found the right family. The jigsaw puzzle fits together beautifully.

This shows once again that one can piece together a mystery by using
many different sources of information in a relatively short time.
Definitive proof lies in the archives in Vienna.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: George NEUMANN of Vienna m. Vera of textile & scarf empire #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Lisa Thaler has asked us about George NEUMANN of Vienna,
Austria who died at a relatively young age [Jan. 1962] in NY.

George NEUMANN, his CT-born wife Vera Salaff NEUMANN (d. 1993), and
fellow emigre Frederick Werner HAMM (d. 1960) >from Germany
established the Vera textile company in 1946. "Vera" is best known
for bold scarf designs (c1960s), with a ladybug [ladybird/
Marienkafer] logo - Google "Vera+Scarf"

George NEUMANN was part of the Vienna circle of friends that included
artist Sacha KOLIN, the focus of Lisa's intensive research {Sacha
KOLIN (born 1911 Paris - 1981 NYC; res. -1936 Vienna).

Lisa [we have only ever met on the SIG!] and I have collaborated
successfully before on aspects of Sacha KOLIN's life and you can see
the messages in the SIG archives. After a flurry of emails last
night, I was able to confirm that the father of George NEUMANN was
Emanuel NEUMANN >from Vienna - dob 14 May 1879 and these are either
his children [siblings of George] or his nephews and nieces - Ernst
is probably a cousin. These other NEUMANN may be serendipitously
linked to Emanuel, but it is unlikely:

NEUMANN Max 22 Dec 1909; NEUMANN Lisbeth 11 Nov 1910; NEUMANN Ernst
20 Jan 1879.

So if you know about any of the above, it would be a great help.
George sadly predeceased his father Emanuel in NY.

Tragically we can read that Ernst on "Letter to the Stars" that Ernst
was born in Vienna and his last known address was: Wien 1, Kohlmarkt
5/6. He was deported to Theresienstadt on 10.09.1942 and there is no
further information on his fate. On Yad vashem we read more:

"Transport IV/10 >from Wien to Terezin on 11/09/1942" and then
"Transport Et >from Terezin to Auschwitz on 23/10/1944"

Two other people were deported >from this address, but I suspect they
were fellow residents in the apartment block not relatives:

Julie DOCTOR born 28.02.1869 in ?
Franz WEINBERGER born 28.02.1897 in ?

We remember them all here today and all the many NEUMANN victims on
Yad vashem.

I have a probable address for Ing. Emanuel NEUMANN in the prestigious
Cottage district of Vienna - Haizingergasse 43, Vienna XIII; so we
should be able to get more data now. Incidentally [or perhaps that is
how Sacha and Georg met as children?] it is very close to the
Weimarerstr. address where Sacha and her family lived! Sacha, George
and his siblings probably all played together in the lovely
Turkenschanz Park where I am sure they saw lots of *ladybirds*!

Ing. Emanuel was the Director of the *Sabel Electrical Light and
Power Installation Co" in Vienna - so another possible link with
Sacha's father Julius KOLIN who was himself a mechanical engineer:
see www.sachakolin.com

Lisa has miraculously retrieved Emanuel's WWII registration where it
appears he is an engineer {machinist?] in 1942 so I am hopeful I have
found the right family. The jigsaw puzzle fits together beautifully.

This shows once again that one can piece together a mystery by using
many different sources of information in a relatively short time.
Definitive proof lies in the archives in Vienna.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Re: AustriaCzech SIG Business #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Thank you very much Sharla for your account of the present status of
the SIG and its organisational structure - but could we also please
know how many members we have? It would also be nice to have a
geographic breakdown of membership, like they have on the Gersig
website.

I suspect is it abt 800 or more - but unfortunately only very few
people can attend the annual conferences - I have had ten names so
far in response to my request yesterday to compile an attendees list
->from Israel [2], Canada [1] and USA which includes one member from
Hawaii.

Celia Male [U.K.]

Austria-Czech SIG #Austria-Czech Re: AustriaCzech SIG Business #austria-czech

Celia Male <celiamale@...>
 

Thank you very much Sharla for your account of the present status of
the SIG and its organisational structure - but could we also please
know how many members we have? It would also be nice to have a
geographic breakdown of membership, like they have on the Gersig
website.

I suspect is it abt 800 or more - but unfortunately only very few
people can attend the annual conferences - I have had ten names so
far in response to my request yesterday to compile an attendees list
->from Israel [2], Canada [1] and USA which includes one member from
Hawaii.

Celia Male [U.K.]