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JGS Palm Beach County, FL - May Meeting #general

MNewman714@...
 

The JGS of Palm Beach County, FL will meet on Wednesday, May 10, 2000
at the South County Civic Center, 16700 Jog Road, Delray Beach, FL.
Time 1-4 p.m.

Program:
Dr. Harold F. Powell, of the Palm Beach County Genealogical Society, will
discuss the extensive genealogical resources to be found in the West Palm
Beach Library, located on Clematis Street, West Palm Beach.

SIG groups will meet after the program is completed.

Guests are welcome. Fee $5.00, which can be applied toward membership dues.

Sylvia Nusinov - President
Curiousyl@...
Natalie Hamburg - Program Chair
Jakies@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGS Palm Beach County, FL - May Meeting #general

MNewman714@...
 

The JGS of Palm Beach County, FL will meet on Wednesday, May 10, 2000
at the South County Civic Center, 16700 Jog Road, Delray Beach, FL.
Time 1-4 p.m.

Program:
Dr. Harold F. Powell, of the Palm Beach County Genealogical Society, will
discuss the extensive genealogical resources to be found in the West Palm
Beach Library, located on Clematis Street, West Palm Beach.

SIG groups will meet after the program is completed.

Guests are welcome. Fee $5.00, which can be applied toward membership dues.

Sylvia Nusinov - President
Curiousyl@...
Natalie Hamburg - Program Chair
Jakies@...


marriages #general

Anita Citron <anitac1@...>
 

Your collective wisdom is sought:

Although I would assume most were, the question is (asked by a friend of
mine) were most marriages among Jews arranged ones? Was it common to the
majority of Jewish communities in the 19th or earlier centuries? And if
arranged, what the more common agency: matchmakers, rabbis, or parents?

In these matches, what, if any, choices did the matched individuals have?

Thanks!

Anita Citron
anitac1@...
Flushing (NYC), New York
NADWORNY, SILVER, FLEISHER (Odessa)
ODESSKY(Lipovets), NEPOMNYATSHY(Voznesensk) TRACHTENBERG(Gritsev)
FURMAN (Pyatkovko),FINGERHUT/FINGERET (Ananyev, Voznesensk))
MEDNIK/WILDMAN (Berdichev),


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen marriages #general

Anita Citron <anitac1@...>
 

Your collective wisdom is sought:

Although I would assume most were, the question is (asked by a friend of
mine) were most marriages among Jews arranged ones? Was it common to the
majority of Jewish communities in the 19th or earlier centuries? And if
arranged, what the more common agency: matchmakers, rabbis, or parents?

In these matches, what, if any, choices did the matched individuals have?

Thanks!

Anita Citron
anitac1@...
Flushing (NYC), New York
NADWORNY, SILVER, FLEISHER (Odessa)
ODESSKY(Lipovets), NEPOMNYATSHY(Voznesensk) TRACHTENBERG(Gritsev)
FURMAN (Pyatkovko),FINGERHUT/FINGERET (Ananyev, Voznesensk))
MEDNIK/WILDMAN (Berdichev),


Re: Khonan #general

Zalman Latzkovich <zalman@...>
 

Let me join Prof. Esterson and add a couple of names:
My second cousins' name is Khane with the accent on a letter "e",
originated in Lithuania. He later changed to Kahana.
So maybe all names variations of Kahana, Kahane are related .
Hebrew first name Khanan is almost identical. Research this name.
Zalman Latzkovich
Toronto


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Khonan #general

Zalman Latzkovich <zalman@...>
 

Let me join Prof. Esterson and add a couple of names:
My second cousins' name is Khane with the accent on a letter "e",
originated in Lithuania. He later changed to Kahana.
So maybe all names variations of Kahana, Kahane are related .
Hebrew first name Khanan is almost identical. Research this name.
Zalman Latzkovich
Toronto


The Holocaust Chronicles #general

W874 <w874@...>
 

Hello,

Looking to buy the book, and was wondering on what you all thought.

Was it a valuable addition to your library ?

Thanx

Irving Wiener
Oak Park, MI

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The Holocaust Chronicles #general

W874 <w874@...>
 

Hello,

Looking to buy the book, and was wondering on what you all thought.

Was it a valuable addition to your library ?

Thanx

Irving Wiener
Oak Park, MI

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


Cemetery Conditions #general

Ron Goldman
 

Hi David,

I've seen similar conditions at Bayside, also in Queens, and at the one
section I had occasion to visit at Baron Hirsch in Staten Island.

The problem, as it was explained to me, is this.

Most of our forebears who belonged to Landsmanshaften when they first came
to the US, also obtained their burial plots >from these organizations. The
dues they paid to these organizations was partially for the upkeep of all
the graves bought >from the various cemeteries, and re-sold as plots to
individual, or family members of the group.
Time marches on, the older immigrant members pass on, membership declines
(do we know of 'any' descendents who today still belong to
Landsmanshaften?), dues diminish, and eventually the whole organization
passes into History.
Unless individual surviving descendents have made private arrangements for
perpetual care of their ancestor's graves, there is no responsible party
left, and no funds available.
Sadly, a few scraps of paper, a few remaining records of these former
organizations, either at YIVO or, in a few cases <g> private hands, are all
that are left.

Is NY City going to pay? Fuggedubouddit, that's a dream.
I won't go into what that City *used* to provide for its citizens, but those
days are gone.

In the end, it's up to caring volunteers, family members who have the
funds, and are willing to pay for this, or a fund raising to accomplish the
task, which is slightly less than monumental. I personally spent the better
part of 4 hours hacking through overgrowth, tree branches, weeds, ivy, and
the like, just to *find* my ggparents' and other family graves at Bayside.

I agree, it's a disgrace.

Ron Goldman
Boynton Beach, FL.
preshtek@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cemetery Conditions #general

Ron Goldman
 

Hi David,

I've seen similar conditions at Bayside, also in Queens, and at the one
section I had occasion to visit at Baron Hirsch in Staten Island.

The problem, as it was explained to me, is this.

Most of our forebears who belonged to Landsmanshaften when they first came
to the US, also obtained their burial plots >from these organizations. The
dues they paid to these organizations was partially for the upkeep of all
the graves bought >from the various cemeteries, and re-sold as plots to
individual, or family members of the group.
Time marches on, the older immigrant members pass on, membership declines
(do we know of 'any' descendents who today still belong to
Landsmanshaften?), dues diminish, and eventually the whole organization
passes into History.
Unless individual surviving descendents have made private arrangements for
perpetual care of their ancestor's graves, there is no responsible party
left, and no funds available.
Sadly, a few scraps of paper, a few remaining records of these former
organizations, either at YIVO or, in a few cases <g> private hands, are all
that are left.

Is NY City going to pay? Fuggedubouddit, that's a dream.
I won't go into what that City *used* to provide for its citizens, but those
days are gone.

In the end, it's up to caring volunteers, family members who have the
funds, and are willing to pay for this, or a fund raising to accomplish the
task, which is slightly less than monumental. I personally spent the better
part of 4 hours hacking through overgrowth, tree branches, weeds, ivy, and
the like, just to *find* my ggparents' and other family graves at Bayside.

I agree, it's a disgrace.

Ron Goldman
Boynton Beach, FL.
preshtek@...


Re: Zalman #general

Zalman Latzkovich <zalman@...>
 

Tobjorn,
Zalman-is my given name. Zalman originated >from Salman that was used in
the middle ages, that in turn came >from Solomon.
And Solomon as you know, it's Shlomo which is original Bible
name. Zalman used to be a popular name in the pre-war Eastern Europe. In
Israel nobody uses this name anymore since it's of Yiddish origin and
associated with shtetls. I was born after the war, but my parents gave me
this name in the memory of one of their parents. There are few Israeli
politicians with this name.
Zalman Latzkovich,Toronto


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re:Zalman #general

Zalman Latzkovich <zalman@...>
 

Tobjorn,
Zalman-is my given name. Zalman originated >from Salman that was used in
the middle ages, that in turn came >from Solomon.
And Solomon as you know, it's Shlomo which is original Bible
name. Zalman used to be a popular name in the pre-war Eastern Europe. In
Israel nobody uses this name anymore since it's of Yiddish origin and
associated with shtetls. I was born after the war, but my parents gave me
this name in the memory of one of their parents. There are few Israeli
politicians with this name.
Zalman Latzkovich,Toronto


Why Jewishgen works so well...... #general

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

I recently realized a major reason why the Jewishgen lists work so well,
and are such successful Jewish genealogy tools......there are two things
we never argue about: politics and religion!!

And as we know, these are the two major features of conflict among
Jews.....Jewishgen is one place where we don't have to argue about these
things. ;-)

David Goldman
davic@...


Re: "Samuel" in Hebrew #general

Herb <herbiem@...>
 

My father used the name Samuel in this country, but in Eastern Europe he
was known as Shmiel.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, Colorado

Peter Blood wrote :

My family has a habit of anglicizing their names which confuses me to


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Why Jewishgen works so well...... #general

David Goldman <davic@...>
 

I recently realized a major reason why the Jewishgen lists work so well,
and are such successful Jewish genealogy tools......there are two things
we never argue about: politics and religion!!

And as we know, these are the two major features of conflict among
Jews.....Jewishgen is one place where we don't have to argue about these
things. ;-)

David Goldman
davic@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Samuel" in Hebrew #general

Herb <herbiem@...>
 

My father used the name Samuel in this country, but in Eastern Europe he
was known as Shmiel.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, Colorado

Peter Blood wrote :

My family has a habit of anglicizing their names which confuses me to


Re: Yom Tov LIPPMAN HELLER #general

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Melissa Gould wrote as follows:

"I do not know her name. the only thing I know is that she was married
to a man named Trytel HURWITZ (who himself was a descendant of another
supposedly important fellow named Isaiah Hurwitz, also known as the
"Holy Sheloh")."

The given name Trytel/Traitel/Treitel (not a very common man's name in
19th century Europe) forms a true Hebrew double name with the following
basic Hebrew names: Mordechai and Yehuda. Therefor, in searching
archives for information about Trytel HURWITZ, it might be worthwhile
to include searches for the given names Mordechai and Yehuda as well.

Professor. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel
jerry@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Yom Tov LIPPMAN HELLER #general

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Melissa Gould wrote as follows:

"I do not know her name. the only thing I know is that she was married
to a man named Trytel HURWITZ (who himself was a descendant of another
supposedly important fellow named Isaiah Hurwitz, also known as the
"Holy Sheloh")."

The given name Trytel/Traitel/Treitel (not a very common man's name in
19th century Europe) forms a true Hebrew double name with the following
basic Hebrew names: Mordechai and Yehuda. Therefor, in searching
archives for information about Trytel HURWITZ, it might be worthwhile
to include searches for the given names Mordechai and Yehuda as well.

Professor. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel
jerry@...


2--Getting documents from Polish archives #poland

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

A few people have asked for details regarding my introductory
paragraph I wrote in my message regarding getting documents
from Polish archives. So, here are a few extra thoughts:
Last year, it took me 5 months of waiting, $70, and several
telephone calls to get two simple documents >from Poland--and
this only because I had complete dates and correct names. And
after all that, I only received incomplete summaries of the two
records!
I wrote to a Civil Records Office. Truth be known,
I was somewhat impatient. I got energetic and called
the consular office and the embassy. But I think
that all my extra calls were unnecessary. The documents
arrived in 4 months. My calls did not make them
come faster. And the communication that I got was
in fact complete and accurate.

I received a legal document, with some information
>from the abstracts. It left me curious: what from
the complete abstract did not get typed into the
brief extract I received. I got a death certificate,
showing date of death, and little else. What was
missing--names of parents? city of birth? These
little mysteries are top on my mind these days.

By the way, I wrote my letters in Polish.

To my knowledge, the Civil Records Office (a.k.a.
Urzad Stanu Cywilnego or U.S.C.) did provide me
with the document that they were legally required
to provide. I meant in my message not to criticize
any U.S.C., but to share my success with another
approach to getting materials.

Dan

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
Professor of Music / Wittenberg University / Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland: TALMAN, ENGLANDER, JURKIEWICZ, STRAUSBERG/SZTRASBERG, CZAPNIK
Ukraine: OBERMAN, LISS Turkey: KAZEZ, FRESKO, ALHADEF
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/dk/page.html


JRI Poland #Poland 2--Getting documents from Polish archives #poland

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
 

A few people have asked for details regarding my introductory
paragraph I wrote in my message regarding getting documents
from Polish archives. So, here are a few extra thoughts:
Last year, it took me 5 months of waiting, $70, and several
telephone calls to get two simple documents >from Poland--and
this only because I had complete dates and correct names. And
after all that, I only received incomplete summaries of the two
records!
I wrote to a Civil Records Office. Truth be known,
I was somewhat impatient. I got energetic and called
the consular office and the embassy. But I think
that all my extra calls were unnecessary. The documents
arrived in 4 months. My calls did not make them
come faster. And the communication that I got was
in fact complete and accurate.

I received a legal document, with some information
>from the abstracts. It left me curious: what from
the complete abstract did not get typed into the
brief extract I received. I got a death certificate,
showing date of death, and little else. What was
missing--names of parents? city of birth? These
little mysteries are top on my mind these days.

By the way, I wrote my letters in Polish.

To my knowledge, the Civil Records Office (a.k.a.
Urzad Stanu Cywilnego or U.S.C.) did provide me
with the document that they were legally required
to provide. I meant in my message not to criticize
any U.S.C., but to share my success with another
approach to getting materials.

Dan

Daniel Kazez <dkazez@...>
Professor of Music / Wittenberg University / Springfield, Ohio USA
Poland: TALMAN, ENGLANDER, JURKIEWICZ, STRAUSBERG/SZTRASBERG, CZAPNIK
Ukraine: OBERMAN, LISS Turkey: KAZEZ, FRESKO, ALHADEF
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/dkazez/dk/page.html