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matching family #dna

bcg@...
 

Hi Ernie

You have come up with a good case not to test. >from the explanation
of the relationships I didn't see any cousins in the FFF or MMM linage
that would allow us to obtain the clean shot that DNA testing require.
Folks remember, If you want to find relationships that cross >from male
to female to male, then you must have living cousins to help. That
means that you will need to have families that had many children.

Bennett Greenspan FTDNA Houston

--------------------------------
Ernie Holzmann wrote:

The on-line discussion in the past week has been interesting!

In six weeks I hope to visit my "distant cousin" Eric in Chicago. We are
from the same city in Germany (Nuremberg), went to Realgymnasium together,
and believe we KNOW how we are related to one another.

Here is the link between his and my ancestral lines:

Eric's maternal grandFATHER and my maternal GREAT-grandmother
were brother-and-sister!

Eric and I have other things in common: Our parents died years ago, we
have no sisters, but we are blessed with children, both boys and girls,

My cousin Gabriele's maternal grandparents are my
maternal grandparents... Gaby has two (BEAUTIFUL!) daughters.

In any statistical test, there is an "expected" (or "most likely")
outcome that is predictable, based on an analysis of the "population"
being tested and of the test procedure.

Suppose in our family's situation, we wanted to do the relevant tests not
only to verify relationships, but to test for mutations...

QUESTIONS
1. Can your tests verify the relation between Eric and my cousin Gaby's
daughters?
2. What would be the probability of a FALSE NEGATIVE if my ancestral
great-grandmother, instead of being the sister of Eric's maternal
grandFATHER, had been a sister of Eric's maternal grandMOTHER?

Bennett, I hope this is a valid example to illustrate how female test
planning must be carefully examined before committing to the tests
themselves...

Thank you for your patience in trying to help us understand what is
involved, and what are both the promises and the limitations of the
approach!
---------------------


GOLDBERG ; Krakow Poland 1922 #general

Moses Lenzky <mlenzky@...>
 

Q.
Come out >from where ever you are
A:
Looking for descandents of Reb Shlomo GOLDBERG which
died in Krakow in 1922. A son of Reb Sholom GOLDBERG
which was a Dayan in Kolbuszowa until his death in
1895?

B: Looking for a Chaim or Moshe REISS or there
children . Chaim & Moshe's parents Hinda & Motel
(Meilich)migrated to Israel in 1946?

C: Looking for descandents of a Shemaryohi GOLDBERG
which lived in Israel who was a dentist or a childrens
Doctor?

Moshe Lensky
mlenzky@...


DNA Research #DNA matching family #dna

bcg@...
 

Hi Ernie

You have come up with a good case not to test. >from the explanation
of the relationships I didn't see any cousins in the FFF or MMM linage
that would allow us to obtain the clean shot that DNA testing require.
Folks remember, If you want to find relationships that cross >from male
to female to male, then you must have living cousins to help. That
means that you will need to have families that had many children.

Bennett Greenspan FTDNA Houston

--------------------------------
Ernie Holzmann wrote:

The on-line discussion in the past week has been interesting!

In six weeks I hope to visit my "distant cousin" Eric in Chicago. We are
from the same city in Germany (Nuremberg), went to Realgymnasium together,
and believe we KNOW how we are related to one another.

Here is the link between his and my ancestral lines:

Eric's maternal grandFATHER and my maternal GREAT-grandmother
were brother-and-sister!

Eric and I have other things in common: Our parents died years ago, we
have no sisters, but we are blessed with children, both boys and girls,

My cousin Gabriele's maternal grandparents are my
maternal grandparents... Gaby has two (BEAUTIFUL!) daughters.

In any statistical test, there is an "expected" (or "most likely")
outcome that is predictable, based on an analysis of the "population"
being tested and of the test procedure.

Suppose in our family's situation, we wanted to do the relevant tests not
only to verify relationships, but to test for mutations...

QUESTIONS
1. Can your tests verify the relation between Eric and my cousin Gaby's
daughters?
2. What would be the probability of a FALSE NEGATIVE if my ancestral
great-grandmother, instead of being the sister of Eric's maternal
grandFATHER, had been a sister of Eric's maternal grandMOTHER?

Bennett, I hope this is a valid example to illustrate how female test
planning must be carefully examined before committing to the tests
themselves...

Thank you for your patience in trying to help us understand what is
involved, and what are both the promises and the limitations of the
approach!
---------------------


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GOLDBERG ; Krakow Poland 1922 #general

Moses Lenzky <mlenzky@...>
 

Q.
Come out >from where ever you are
A:
Looking for descandents of Reb Shlomo GOLDBERG which
died in Krakow in 1922. A son of Reb Sholom GOLDBERG
which was a Dayan in Kolbuszowa until his death in
1895?

B: Looking for a Chaim or Moshe REISS or there
children . Chaim & Moshe's parents Hinda & Motel
(Meilich)migrated to Israel in 1946?

C: Looking for descandents of a Shemaryohi GOLDBERG
which lived in Israel who was a dentist or a childrens
Doctor?

Moshe Lensky
mlenzky@...


genomic DNA and / or mitochondrial DNA? #dna

bcg@...
 

Hi Dr. Baumal

Yes we also test males for the mtDNA that they receive form the mother.
Both of these tests are performed routinely for Jewishgen referred
customers.
The price of both tests is currently $219 (USD)
Yes, both of the results will be prepared and databased to be used for
potential matches in the future.

Thanks for asking the questions, I hope that this is now clear to all
interested parties.

Bennett Greenspan FTDNA Huston
-----------------------------------------------------------------


Dr. Baumal Asked:


In addition to preparing genomic DNA >from the buccal smear, which allows
you to assess the 11Y chromosome markers that provide information about
patrilineal descent and whether one is a Kohen, do you also prepare
mitochondrial DNA >from the same buccal smear, which would provide
information about matrilineal descent? Are both of these types of DNA
prepared routinely >from each buccal smear or does one have to ask for
this to be done? If both are done, is the price still $219 (American
funds)? If both of these types of DNA are prepared, are 2 profiles
released to the database-one showing the profile for patrilineal
descent and the other showing the profile for matrilineal descent?

Reuben Baumal
Toronto, Canada


DNA Research #DNA genomic DNA and / or mitochondrial DNA? #dna

bcg@...
 

Hi Dr. Baumal

Yes we also test males for the mtDNA that they receive form the mother.
Both of these tests are performed routinely for Jewishgen referred
customers.
The price of both tests is currently $219 (USD)
Yes, both of the results will be prepared and databased to be used for
potential matches in the future.

Thanks for asking the questions, I hope that this is now clear to all
interested parties.

Bennett Greenspan FTDNA Huston
-----------------------------------------------------------------


Dr. Baumal Asked:


In addition to preparing genomic DNA >from the buccal smear, which allows
you to assess the 11Y chromosome markers that provide information about
patrilineal descent and whether one is a Kohen, do you also prepare
mitochondrial DNA >from the same buccal smear, which would provide
information about matrilineal descent? Are both of these types of DNA
prepared routinely >from each buccal smear or does one have to ask for
this to be done? If both are done, is the price still $219 (American
funds)? If both of these types of DNA are prepared, are 2 profiles
released to the database-one showing the profile for patrilineal
descent and the other showing the profile for matrilineal descent?

Reuben Baumal
Toronto, Canada


LESAR [LESER, LEZER,LEZAR,LESAAR, LEZAAR] WINTERBACH, LEGUM #general

Isaac Van Rensburg [ MTN - Alice Lane ] <vanre_is@...>
 

Dear Sir,

I am writing to you after exhausting all other resources in South Africa,
where I live.

I am looking for information on the origin, ancestry and siblings of my
great grand parents LESAR and WINTERBACH on my father's side of the family
tree, and hope you can possibly help me or refer me to the right
place/person.

Izak LEZAR, possibly married to Ida Sarah Edda, (unknown maiden name) was
the father of Sarah Johanna LESAR (Note different spelling shown on her
marriage certificate) born 3 Dec 1871. Family legend has it they were
Jewish or of Jewish descent, but this has not been verified.

Sarah Johanna LESAR married my grandfather Gert Hendrik JANSE VAN RENSBURG
and named their second son Isaac Frederick Thomas VAN RENSBURG. It is
believed that he was named after Sarah Johanna's father Izak.

Dirk WINTERBACH was the father of Louis George WINTERBACH, born 10 Sep 1866
in Tulbach, Cape, South Africa. Family legend has it he came >from either
Netherlands or Germany. His daughter (my grandmother) was named after him -
Louis George WINTERBACH, and she married my grandfather Isaac Frederick
Thomas, son of Sarah Johanna LESAR.

On my mother's side, my great grandmother, Petronella Hermiena RUTHVEN,
born abt. 1889 in Transvaal, South Africa, married a LEGUM.
Unfortunately I have no other information about him, except that
apparently he was also Jewish.

I would very much appreciate any help I can find.

Thank you in anticipation,

Isaac Frederick Thomas van Rensburg


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen LESAR [LESER, LEZER,LEZAR,LESAAR, LEZAAR] WINTERBACH, LEGUM #general

Isaac Van Rensburg [ MTN - Alice Lane ] <vanre_is@...>
 

Dear Sir,

I am writing to you after exhausting all other resources in South Africa,
where I live.

I am looking for information on the origin, ancestry and siblings of my
great grand parents LESAR and WINTERBACH on my father's side of the family
tree, and hope you can possibly help me or refer me to the right
place/person.

Izak LEZAR, possibly married to Ida Sarah Edda, (unknown maiden name) was
the father of Sarah Johanna LESAR (Note different spelling shown on her
marriage certificate) born 3 Dec 1871. Family legend has it they were
Jewish or of Jewish descent, but this has not been verified.

Sarah Johanna LESAR married my grandfather Gert Hendrik JANSE VAN RENSBURG
and named their second son Isaac Frederick Thomas VAN RENSBURG. It is
believed that he was named after Sarah Johanna's father Izak.

Dirk WINTERBACH was the father of Louis George WINTERBACH, born 10 Sep 1866
in Tulbach, Cape, South Africa. Family legend has it he came >from either
Netherlands or Germany. His daughter (my grandmother) was named after him -
Louis George WINTERBACH, and she married my grandfather Isaac Frederick
Thomas, son of Sarah Johanna LESAR.

On my mother's side, my great grandmother, Petronella Hermiena RUTHVEN,
born abt. 1889 in Transvaal, South Africa, married a LEGUM.
Unfortunately I have no other information about him, except that
apparently he was also Jewish.

I would very much appreciate any help I can find.

Thank you in anticipation,

Isaac Frederick Thomas van Rensburg


surnames BONDER and MINTZER #general

Randsboxer@...
 

Still looking for any information or links on surnames of
BONDER and MINTZER.

TIA

Rose Boxer
Ocala, FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen surnames BONDER and MINTZER #general

Randsboxer@...
 

Still looking for any information or links on surnames of
BONDER and MINTZER.

TIA

Rose Boxer
Ocala, FL


Genealogy software #general

Mindy Fuchs <p031548b@...>
 

I have to acquire genealogy software for a genealogy class I am taking.

Can anyone recommend software that is not too costly, that would be
appropriate for Jewish genealogy (ancestors >from Poland and Russia),
and not too costly?

Looking for Pistanowitz, Sakalov (>from Poltava), Joachim,

Mindy Fuchs
p031548b@...

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Genealogy software #general

Mindy Fuchs <p031548b@...>
 

I have to acquire genealogy software for a genealogy class I am taking.

Can anyone recommend software that is not too costly, that would be
appropriate for Jewish genealogy (ancestors >from Poland and Russia),
and not too costly?

Looking for Pistanowitz, Sakalov (>from Poltava), Joachim,

Mindy Fuchs
p031548b@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately as JewishGen Discussion Group
cannot carry testimonials for commercial products.


Judean Richter #general

hschwart@...
 

Has anyone heard of the Fraise "Judean Richter"? I know it means a
Jewish judge. But was there such a thing in towns to have a Judean
Richter? What was this Fraise used for?

I am a descendant Rebbie Yackov Fisch of Nagykallo, and his father was
known as Yitzcok Judean Richter

Thank you

Henry Schwartz

Searching:
SCHWARTZ (Nyiregyhaza) (Sarospatak) GLUCK (Kemesce) Bokony) (Papa) (Prag)
ORENSTIEN (Lemberg) GUTTMANN (Nyiregyhaza) FRIEDRICH (Humenne)
FISCH (Nagykallo) (Zoboltow) STIENBRECHER KLUFTER / KLAFTER RUBIN
MARKOVICH (Bacsava) IZSAK (Bacsava) BENOVICH KATZ (Klucsarka)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Judean Richter #general

hschwart@...
 

Has anyone heard of the Fraise "Judean Richter"? I know it means a
Jewish judge. But was there such a thing in towns to have a Judean
Richter? What was this Fraise used for?

I am a descendant Rebbie Yackov Fisch of Nagykallo, and his father was
known as Yitzcok Judean Richter

Thank you

Henry Schwartz

Searching:
SCHWARTZ (Nyiregyhaza) (Sarospatak) GLUCK (Kemesce) Bokony) (Papa) (Prag)
ORENSTIEN (Lemberg) GUTTMANN (Nyiregyhaza) FRIEDRICH (Humenne)
FISCH (Nagykallo) (Zoboltow) STIENBRECHER KLUFTER / KLAFTER RUBIN
MARKOVICH (Bacsava) IZSAK (Bacsava) BENOVICH KATZ (Klucsarka)


Search for Rabbi LAMM #general

Diane Frankel <dlfrankel@...>
 

Does anyone know how I can contact a Rabbi Norman Lamm?
I believe he lives in Metro NYC.

Diane Frankel
North Miami Beach, FL
dlfrankel@...

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Search for Rabbi LAMM #general

Diane Frankel <dlfrankel@...>
 

Does anyone know how I can contact a Rabbi Norman Lamm?
I believe he lives in Metro NYC.

Diane Frankel
North Miami Beach, FL
dlfrankel@...

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Responses - A question about sharing genealogical information #general

Algaze@...
 

I would like to thank all of the members of this forum who responded
to my question regarding the protocol of adding the research of other
genealogists to my own family tree. I would like to summarize the general
consensus of the messages I received.

Making connections and sharing information is basically the purpose of
posting our own family lines on web sites, on the Jewish Gen JGFF,
and on the Family Tree of the Jewish People. We put our own
information out there for someone to find and make a connection with.

That said, there were several caveats mentioned:

1) If you are considering including a great deal of information obtained
from another researcher, it would be a courtesy to ask that researcher
for his/her permission. After all, they are the ones who did all the work
to gather the information and put it together. In addition, be sure to
"...put a note in the notes to say who the source was."

2) Honor the wishes of the other researcher if there is some information
that they do not want you to include. We ARE dealing with very personal
information and we do have to show a little sensitivity in dealing with
other people's personal preferences.

That said, some members wrote that they *only* include information >from
other researchers that apply to their own *Direct* line. Some wrote that
they include *everthing*. It seems to be a personal preference.

The best response I received stated a two fold philosophy in gathering
information that was:

A) "...to learn as much as possible about our families and where they
all come from, and additionally how the jewish families around the world
really all do link up. I want to leave a legacy for my children and their
children as to where we all come from. To this end I think it is important
that we add as much data as possible to our trees", and

B) "...by linking all the families together that I find links to, we only
expand the horizons of others to help them find their history and
heritage. Since I posted my tree on the FTJP, I have found at least three
other sections to add to my tree. In all, I am strongly in favor of
adding as many links as possible to my tree, although my main
concentration is and always will be the direct lines."

Another respondent made the comment: " Of course, I'd love to see the
documents supporting her research too."

So, I hope this information helps to guide other researchers in making
their own decisions. If you would like to see a collection of ALL the
responses I received, contact me directly. Thank you all again for
your input.

Barbara Algaze
Los Angeles, California

Note: All quoted materials included here are with permission >from the
authors. BA

Searching for:
COHN - in the towns of Wreschen, Gnesen, Tirischtiegel, Samter,
Schoenlanke, and Posen. All in Posen, West Prussia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Responses - A question about sharing genealogical information #general

Algaze@...
 

I would like to thank all of the members of this forum who responded
to my question regarding the protocol of adding the research of other
genealogists to my own family tree. I would like to summarize the general
consensus of the messages I received.

Making connections and sharing information is basically the purpose of
posting our own family lines on web sites, on the Jewish Gen JGFF,
and on the Family Tree of the Jewish People. We put our own
information out there for someone to find and make a connection with.

That said, there were several caveats mentioned:

1) If you are considering including a great deal of information obtained
from another researcher, it would be a courtesy to ask that researcher
for his/her permission. After all, they are the ones who did all the work
to gather the information and put it together. In addition, be sure to
"...put a note in the notes to say who the source was."

2) Honor the wishes of the other researcher if there is some information
that they do not want you to include. We ARE dealing with very personal
information and we do have to show a little sensitivity in dealing with
other people's personal preferences.

That said, some members wrote that they *only* include information >from
other researchers that apply to their own *Direct* line. Some wrote that
they include *everthing*. It seems to be a personal preference.

The best response I received stated a two fold philosophy in gathering
information that was:

A) "...to learn as much as possible about our families and where they
all come from, and additionally how the jewish families around the world
really all do link up. I want to leave a legacy for my children and their
children as to where we all come from. To this end I think it is important
that we add as much data as possible to our trees", and

B) "...by linking all the families together that I find links to, we only
expand the horizons of others to help them find their history and
heritage. Since I posted my tree on the FTJP, I have found at least three
other sections to add to my tree. In all, I am strongly in favor of
adding as many links as possible to my tree, although my main
concentration is and always will be the direct lines."

Another respondent made the comment: " Of course, I'd love to see the
documents supporting her research too."

So, I hope this information helps to guide other researchers in making
their own decisions. If you would like to see a collection of ALL the
responses I received, contact me directly. Thank you all again for
your input.

Barbara Algaze
Los Angeles, California

Note: All quoted materials included here are with permission >from the
authors. BA

Searching for:
COHN - in the towns of Wreschen, Gnesen, Tirischtiegel, Samter,
Schoenlanke, and Posen. All in Posen, West Prussia


US Newspaper Abstracts website pre-1923 #general

Hilary Henkin <propper@...>
 

Hi, all!
One of the other lists I subscribe to mentioned the following website.
It is building a collection of newspaper articles, searchable by keyword,
or state, county, year, and month. It covers the U.S., and focuses on
pre-1923 dates.

http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia
Researching: BERLIN >from Mogilev, HENKIN-GENKIN, KATZ >from Ekatrinaslav,
LAPIDUS, LAVROTIN-LAVRUTIN, PESACHINSKY, RINCOVER-HARINCOVER,
POLLACK/POLLOCK/POLLOCKOFF, SREBERK-SCHRIEBER >from Harbin, China,
SHIMERNITSKY, SOCHINETSKY, STEINHART and variations >from Russia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen US Newspaper Abstracts website pre-1923 #general

Hilary Henkin <propper@...>
 

Hi, all!
One of the other lists I subscribe to mentioned the following website.
It is building a collection of newspaper articles, searchable by keyword,
or state, county, year, and month. It covers the U.S., and focuses on
pre-1923 dates.

http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia
Researching: BERLIN >from Mogilev, HENKIN-GENKIN, KATZ >from Ekatrinaslav,
LAPIDUS, LAVROTIN-LAVRUTIN, PESACHINSKY, RINCOVER-HARINCOVER,
POLLACK/POLLOCK/POLLOCKOFF, SREBERK-SCHRIEBER >from Harbin, China,
SHIMERNITSKY, SOCHINETSKY, STEINHART and variations >from Russia