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Advice for tombstone #general

GojuMom@...
 

Dear Everyone,
Since we are often asking for translation help on tombstones,
I thought my question might be allowed.
Forgive my ignorance, but what is traditionally written on a
tombstone? I am faced with helping my father order one for my mother who
passed away 6 months ago. Since 'doing' my genealogy, I have the urge to
follow tradition and leave a memory for the generations that follow
(but I will eave a translation so no help is needed!)
Please respond privately since this really isn't a genealogy question.
I appreciate all your help.
JoAnne Vanett
Amber, PA
Searching:
FUHRMAN (orignally >from "Russia" but settled in Phila. and Camden)
ALTKRUG, >from Polish Russia > New York and Philadelphia
VENETZKY and all its permutations >from Zhivotovka, Tarastcha district,
Kiyev Gubernia and the following related families fromthe same area:
BELENKY, SOLOSITSKY, OROWITZ,
ROSENBERG, FEINGOLD, ALTMAN, HOSSMAN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Advice for tombstone #general

GojuMom@...
 

Dear Everyone,
Since we are often asking for translation help on tombstones,
I thought my question might be allowed.
Forgive my ignorance, but what is traditionally written on a
tombstone? I am faced with helping my father order one for my mother who
passed away 6 months ago. Since 'doing' my genealogy, I have the urge to
follow tradition and leave a memory for the generations that follow
(but I will eave a translation so no help is needed!)
Please respond privately since this really isn't a genealogy question.
I appreciate all your help.
JoAnne Vanett
Amber, PA
Searching:
FUHRMAN (orignally >from "Russia" but settled in Phila. and Camden)
ALTKRUG, >from Polish Russia > New York and Philadelphia
VENETZKY and all its permutations >from Zhivotovka, Tarastcha district,
Kiyev Gubernia and the following related families fromthe same area:
BELENKY, SOLOSITSKY, OROWITZ,
ROSENBERG, FEINGOLD, ALTMAN, HOSSMAN


Help Deciphering a Social Security Application #general

Olga G. Parker <OGParker@...>
 

I need help determining my great-grandmother's maiden name. I can read
all the rest of my grandfather's Social Security application, but the 3rd
letter of his mother's maiden name eludes me. Would welcome anyone's
suggestions as to what they think this letter is. A scanned image of the
application is posted at the following address:

<http://www.dakotakid.net/history/massel/jam_ss5.html>

If you have trouble with the full URL, you can also locate it on the
homepage on the right, in the what's new column.

This is the only document so far on which I have seen my grandfather use
James, rather than Jacob, as his given name; he also used the anglicized
version of his surname when giving his father's name: MAIZEL was the name
in Russia. His father's name appears variously as Akiba or Akim on other
documents. This is also the only document I've found so far with my great
grandmother's maiden name and I'd like to get it correct, if possible.

Many thanks,

Olga Parker
OGParker@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Help Deciphering a Social Security Application #general

Olga G. Parker <OGParker@...>
 

I need help determining my great-grandmother's maiden name. I can read
all the rest of my grandfather's Social Security application, but the 3rd
letter of his mother's maiden name eludes me. Would welcome anyone's
suggestions as to what they think this letter is. A scanned image of the
application is posted at the following address:

<http://www.dakotakid.net/history/massel/jam_ss5.html>

If you have trouble with the full URL, you can also locate it on the
homepage on the right, in the what's new column.

This is the only document so far on which I have seen my grandfather use
James, rather than Jacob, as his given name; he also used the anglicized
version of his surname when giving his father's name: MAIZEL was the name
in Russia. His father's name appears variously as Akiba or Akim on other
documents. This is also the only document I've found so far with my great
grandmother's maiden name and I'd like to get it correct, if possible.

Many thanks,

Olga Parker
OGParker@...


Re: Babelfish #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 6/22/00 4:55:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LWellsNYC@... writes:
<< Someone sent me a link to a translation page and it looks like it might
help some of you who are wading through some documents in foreign
languages.

http://www.babelfish.altavista.com/ >>

Before you trusst it, translate your passage into the foreign language,
then translate it back into English.

Be prepared to split your sides laughing.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Babelfish #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 6/22/00 4:55:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
LWellsNYC@... writes:
<< Someone sent me a link to a translation page and it looks like it might
help some of you who are wading through some documents in foreign
languages.

http://www.babelfish.altavista.com/ >>

Before you trusst it, translate your passage into the foreign language,
then translate it back into English.

Be prepared to split your sides laughing.

Michael Bernet, New York


Re: Levi & Marriage Rules #general

Avrohom Krauss <avkrauss@...>
 

Vivian Kahn Wrote:
My great-grandparents lived in Ujvaros in Szatmar megye, Hungary
(now Orasu Nou, Rom.). According to my mother's first cousin who
lived in Ujvaros until the 1920's, after my great-grandfather Moshe
Gershon died in about 1895, my great-grandmother Shprinze GROSZ
BERKOVITS married her brother-in-law Velvel BERKOVITS. >>

Michael Bernet Wrote:
Szatmar Jews have long had a reputation for their own interpretation
of Halakha; and of making a total about face on an issue, often when that
became of personal significance for a community leader. You may have
heard of the tragedy of the young Woman in Williamsburg (Brooklyn) who
was killed with her infant daughter in a housefire on the morning of the
first day of the Shavuot festival this month. Reverting to a practice
that died out 100 or 200 years ago, their bodies were prepared for
burial that same day (by Jews) and were transported in a van 60 miles
away (by a non-Jew) to be interred in a Szatmar cemtery on the same
afternoon (police serving as communication between the two communities,
and the grave opened by non-Jews).

So, yes. Practices do vary.

In any event, I am not at all convinced that modern halakha forbids
marriage between a widow and her brother in law; it may even be a
common practice. >>


*Indeed if there were children it is unequivocally forbidden as stated in
the Torah, Talmud, and Codes of Law. No observant Jew would ever think of
such a marriage, let alone find an Orthodox Rabbi to preform such a thing!
In terms of Szatmar supposed "turn-about" in Halacha, you should be aware
that burial was and is traditionaly done on the second day of Yom Tov-by
Non-Jews. The reason it is not usually done is because those who are not
fully observant may, as a result, of this work (although preformed by Non
Jews), treat Yom Tov with less respect. Therefore, communities that are
totally observant, such as Szatmar and non-Chassidic groups, such as the
German kehilla of Washington Heights, NY, do, even today, perform burial
on the second day of Yom Tov by Non Jewish workers. *

Avrohom Krauss
Telz-Stone Israel

MODERATOR NOTE: This discussion has strayed >from the topic of Genealogy.
The thread is closed. Further discussion should be carried on offline.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Levi & Marriage Rules #general

Avrohom Krauss <avkrauss@...>
 

Vivian Kahn Wrote:
My great-grandparents lived in Ujvaros in Szatmar megye, Hungary
(now Orasu Nou, Rom.). According to my mother's first cousin who
lived in Ujvaros until the 1920's, after my great-grandfather Moshe
Gershon died in about 1895, my great-grandmother Shprinze GROSZ
BERKOVITS married her brother-in-law Velvel BERKOVITS. >>

Michael Bernet Wrote:
Szatmar Jews have long had a reputation for their own interpretation
of Halakha; and of making a total about face on an issue, often when that
became of personal significance for a community leader. You may have
heard of the tragedy of the young Woman in Williamsburg (Brooklyn) who
was killed with her infant daughter in a housefire on the morning of the
first day of the Shavuot festival this month. Reverting to a practice
that died out 100 or 200 years ago, their bodies were prepared for
burial that same day (by Jews) and were transported in a van 60 miles
away (by a non-Jew) to be interred in a Szatmar cemtery on the same
afternoon (police serving as communication between the two communities,
and the grave opened by non-Jews).

So, yes. Practices do vary.

In any event, I am not at all convinced that modern halakha forbids
marriage between a widow and her brother in law; it may even be a
common practice. >>


*Indeed if there were children it is unequivocally forbidden as stated in
the Torah, Talmud, and Codes of Law. No observant Jew would ever think of
such a marriage, let alone find an Orthodox Rabbi to preform such a thing!
In terms of Szatmar supposed "turn-about" in Halacha, you should be aware
that burial was and is traditionaly done on the second day of Yom Tov-by
Non-Jews. The reason it is not usually done is because those who are not
fully observant may, as a result, of this work (although preformed by Non
Jews), treat Yom Tov with less respect. Therefore, communities that are
totally observant, such as Szatmar and non-Chassidic groups, such as the
German kehilla of Washington Heights, NY, do, even today, perform burial
on the second day of Yom Tov by Non Jewish workers. *

Avrohom Krauss
Telz-Stone Israel

MODERATOR NOTE: This discussion has strayed >from the topic of Genealogy.
The thread is closed. Further discussion should be carried on offline.


Re: Rootsweb Sold to MyFamily.com #general

NTILL10123@...
 

The e-mail I received >from MyFamily.com which is owned by Ancestry.com
said all of the Rootsweb urls will remain as they were. To the user of
the rootsweb site there will be no difference except for more information
will become available.

Norm Tillman Albany, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Rootsweb Sold to MyFamily.com #general

NTILL10123@...
 

The e-mail I received >from MyFamily.com which is owned by Ancestry.com
said all of the Rootsweb urls will remain as they were. To the user of
the rootsweb site there will be no difference except for more information
will become available.

Norm Tillman Albany, NY


URL CORRECTION: Please help identify photos of Jews from Ujfeherto, Szabolcs #hungary

Ujfeherto@...
 

I would like to make a general announcement that I've posted a series of 100
photographs of Jews >from Ujfeherto on my Ujfeherto site at:
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/Ujfeherto/i
Sorry, correction that should be (delete final "i"):
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/Ujfeherto/

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Paul Linhardt
tree: http://members.aol.com/plinhardt/


Hungary SIG #Hungary URL CORRECTION: Please help identify photos of Jews from Ujfeherto, Szabolcs #hungary

Ujfeherto@...
 

I would like to make a general announcement that I've posted a series of 100
photographs of Jews >from Ujfeherto on my Ujfeherto site at:
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/Ujfeherto/i
Sorry, correction that should be (delete final "i"):
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/Ujfeherto/

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Paul Linhardt
tree: http://members.aol.com/plinhardt/


Michalovce #hungary

The2thdkdr@...
 

I just discovered a branch of my family that emanated >from Michalovce. I
checked at my local LDS and it did not indicate that there were any vital
records that were filmed there.
Are there any vital records, preferably 19th century, that exist for
Michalovce?
Are there any census records?
Wayne Roth, Brooklyn New York


Hungary SIG #Hungary Michalovce #hungary

The2thdkdr@...
 

I just discovered a branch of my family that emanated >from Michalovce. I
checked at my local LDS and it did not indicate that there were any vital
records that were filmed there.
Are there any vital records, preferably 19th century, that exist for
Michalovce?
Are there any census records?
Wayne Roth, Brooklyn New York


Re: Registers of Vessels @ Port of NY #hungary

Zebradisc@...
 

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In a message dated 06/15/2000 12:24:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Zebradisc
writes:

<< does anyone per chance have copies or access to:
Registers of Vessels Arriving at the Port of New York >from Foreign Ports,
1789-1919
{M 1066----27 Rolls---DP} I am looking for Rolls 26 & 27...
in advance i thank you all for any assistance or further suggestions.
RICKY SCHULTZ
Calabasas, CA
USA
researching SCHULTZ & FEINER >>


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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:24:13 EDT
Subject: Re: SCHULTZ and FEINER
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Hello All:
thanks to so many helpful folks...researching these two families:
(apologies if this isn't better organized)
my ggf LEOPOLD SCHULTZ (1858-1939) married BERTA FEINER c 1884 they lived in
Budapest before coming to America. LEOPOLD was in Austro-Hungarian army late
19thc....

Berta was born c.1867 in Veszprem to my gggf
IGNATZ FEINER (b 11 Nov 1843 Egerseg) and his wife Laura (both buried in
Budapest) who also had 8 other children including Bella, Giselle, Paula and a
brother who was a newspaper man(editor?) harbored by a priest during WW II
and managed to get to Israel & had a son Stephen Feiner (who married
twice)....
IGNATZ FEINER was a a teacher, the children attended boarding school the
children became professionals or married. Berta had a niece "Bergie" a prima
ballerina who danced for the nazis and married a Christian playwrite who
helped her escape to Switzerland--she later moved to Stockholm and opened a
dance school/studio...she lived into the 1970's that we know...

LEOPOLD SCHULTZ & BERTA had three children Andras(nee Andrew) Jeno (nee
Eugene) and Charlotte...Leopold and Jeno (b. 1891 d. 1972 NYC) cam to New
York c 1900 or 1901...BERTA followed with ANDREW SCHULTZ (b. 1898 Budapest/
d.1986 Florida-but lived in New York City then New Jersey most of his life)
and Charlotte who married Leo Hirsch.
we believe on the ship ACQUITANIA in 1902 or 1903....the only other FEINER to
come to America was Bella--we believe many/most of the FEINERS died in the
camps...believe other members of LEOPOLD's family also came to America as he
had a step-brother many years (~40!) his junior MAX SCHULTZ (b. 1889 d. 1964
NYC)

Also does anyone per chance have copies or access to:
Registers of Vessels Arriving at the Port of New York >from Foreign Ports,
1789-1919
{M 1066----27 Rolls---DP} I am looking for Rolls 26 & 27...
in advance i thank you all for any assistance or further suggestions.
RICKY SCHULTZ
Calabasas, CA
USA
researching SCHULTZ & FEINER

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Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Registers of Vessels @ Port of NY #hungary

Zebradisc@...
 

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In a message dated 06/15/2000 12:24:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Zebradisc
writes:

<< does anyone per chance have copies or access to:
Registers of Vessels Arriving at the Port of New York >from Foreign Ports,
1789-1919
{M 1066----27 Rolls---DP} I am looking for Rolls 26 & 27...
in advance i thank you all for any assistance or further suggestions.
RICKY SCHULTZ
Calabasas, CA
USA
researching SCHULTZ & FEINER >>


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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:24:13 EDT
Subject: Re: SCHULTZ and FEINER
To: HUNGARY-L@..., h-sig@...
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X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70

Hello All:
thanks to so many helpful folks...researching these two families:
(apologies if this isn't better organized)
my ggf LEOPOLD SCHULTZ (1858-1939) married BERTA FEINER c 1884 they lived in
Budapest before coming to America. LEOPOLD was in Austro-Hungarian army late
19thc....

Berta was born c.1867 in Veszprem to my gggf
IGNATZ FEINER (b 11 Nov 1843 Egerseg) and his wife Laura (both buried in
Budapest) who also had 8 other children including Bella, Giselle, Paula and a
brother who was a newspaper man(editor?) harbored by a priest during WW II
and managed to get to Israel & had a son Stephen Feiner (who married
twice)....
IGNATZ FEINER was a a teacher, the children attended boarding school the
children became professionals or married. Berta had a niece "Bergie" a prima
ballerina who danced for the nazis and married a Christian playwrite who
helped her escape to Switzerland--she later moved to Stockholm and opened a
dance school/studio...she lived into the 1970's that we know...

LEOPOLD SCHULTZ & BERTA had three children Andras(nee Andrew) Jeno (nee
Eugene) and Charlotte...Leopold and Jeno (b. 1891 d. 1972 NYC) cam to New
York c 1900 or 1901...BERTA followed with ANDREW SCHULTZ (b. 1898 Budapest/
d.1986 Florida-but lived in New York City then New Jersey most of his life)
and Charlotte who married Leo Hirsch.
we believe on the ship ACQUITANIA in 1902 or 1903....the only other FEINER to
come to America was Bella--we believe many/most of the FEINERS died in the
camps...believe other members of LEOPOLD's family also came to America as he
had a step-brother many years (~40!) his junior MAX SCHULTZ (b. 1889 d. 1964
NYC)

Also does anyone per chance have copies or access to:
Registers of Vessels Arriving at the Port of New York >from Foreign Ports,
1789-1919
{M 1066----27 Rolls---DP} I am looking for Rolls 26 & 27...
in advance i thank you all for any assistance or further suggestions.
RICKY SCHULTZ
Calabasas, CA
USA
researching SCHULTZ & FEINER

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LEVENSON #latvia

Jmsall@...
 

I've finally received my LEVENSON information >from the Latvian Archives. It
came in the form of translated records of some birth, death, and marriage
registrations, census reports, a family tree. They also sent a letter
explaining that not all the records have survived but >from other documents
they were able to place where a few members of the family were living in
1920. The family was registered in Bausk but they also lived elsewhere,
primarily in Talsen.

I already knew about my greatgrandfather Avram- Idel and his siblings - Noah,
Hirsch, Beila, Chaim Nachman, and Leah -But now I have the names of their
father and mother, Laser and Chane and Loser's sister Freida, their
grandfather Hirsch and his wife Beila , and their greatgrandfather Noah.

The earliest date I now have is 1773 for Hirsch ben Noah and there are only
two children who were born when he was in his late 30's. This opens the
possiblity that he had other children but their records are not available or
family may have been registered in another place before 1834 when they were
found in the Bausk census.

There also are connections to other families. Avram- Idel married twice,
first to Hinde- Leah Israelson bat Yankel-Israel >from Bausk, and then to
Rivel Wilkov of Zheimeli. His brother Hirsch married Sheine-Rebecca Blumberg
bat Abram of Talsen.

If you can match any of these names to your tree please contact me privately.
jmsall@...

Joel Salloway
Beverly, MA


Latvia SIG #Latvia LEVENSON #latvia

Jmsall@...
 

I've finally received my LEVENSON information >from the Latvian Archives. It
came in the form of translated records of some birth, death, and marriage
registrations, census reports, a family tree. They also sent a letter
explaining that not all the records have survived but >from other documents
they were able to place where a few members of the family were living in
1920. The family was registered in Bausk but they also lived elsewhere,
primarily in Talsen.

I already knew about my greatgrandfather Avram- Idel and his siblings - Noah,
Hirsch, Beila, Chaim Nachman, and Leah -But now I have the names of their
father and mother, Laser and Chane and Loser's sister Freida, their
grandfather Hirsch and his wife Beila , and their greatgrandfather Noah.

The earliest date I now have is 1773 for Hirsch ben Noah and there are only
two children who were born when he was in his late 30's. This opens the
possiblity that he had other children but their records are not available or
family may have been registered in another place before 1834 when they were
found in the Bausk census.

There also are connections to other families. Avram- Idel married twice,
first to Hinde- Leah Israelson bat Yankel-Israel >from Bausk, and then to
Rivel Wilkov of Zheimeli. His brother Hirsch married Sheine-Rebecca Blumberg
bat Abram of Talsen.

If you can match any of these names to your tree please contact me privately.
jmsall@...

Joel Salloway
Beverly, MA


BLAICH #latvia

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 


Judy Brandspigel judyb@...

Researching: BLACHER/BLACKER >from Dvinsk(Daugavpils) Latvia
VINOKUR >from Kovne gubernia
Judy, could the name you are searching be BLAICH >from Dvinsk? There is a
great repository [Dossier #102] on Blaich, who changed his name to AMIR in
Israel, at the Archives of Latvians and Estonians in Israel at Shefayim.

Martha Lev-Zion
Israel


Latvia SIG #Latvia BLAICH #latvia

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 


Judy Brandspigel judyb@...

Researching: BLACHER/BLACKER >from Dvinsk(Daugavpils) Latvia
VINOKUR >from Kovne gubernia
Judy, could the name you are searching be BLAICH >from Dvinsk? There is a
great repository [Dossier #102] on Blaich, who changed his name to AMIR in
Israel, at the Archives of Latvians and Estonians in Israel at Shefayim.

Martha Lev-Zion
Israel