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Descendants of David KRAVITZ #general

Iris Folkson <iris-f@...>
 

I am looking for descendants of my great grandfather David KRAVITZ born abt.
1840. He was a grain mill owner/operator in Krasilov, Ukraine. I
understand David KRAVITZ was married 3 times. He had the following known
children:

Chaya - born abt. 1859
Mollie - born abt. 1860
Esther (a twin) - born abt. 1865 The twin did not reach maturity.
Rochel - born abt. 1882
Daughter - born abt. 1902 survived the holocaust - last heard >from in 1945

Iris Folkson - Douglaston, NY - USA
iris-f@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Descendants of David KRAVITZ #general

Iris Folkson <iris-f@...>
 

I am looking for descendants of my great grandfather David KRAVITZ born abt.
1840. He was a grain mill owner/operator in Krasilov, Ukraine. I
understand David KRAVITZ was married 3 times. He had the following known
children:

Chaya - born abt. 1859
Mollie - born abt. 1860
Esther (a twin) - born abt. 1865 The twin did not reach maturity.
Rochel - born abt. 1882
Daughter - born abt. 1902 survived the holocaust - last heard >from in 1945

Iris Folkson - Douglaston, NY - USA
iris-f@...


Visiting Lodz #lodz #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers:

The following message is forwarded to this mailing list with the permission
of the author:

I just returned >from Lodz. I visited what was once my home and school.
People were very friendly and helpful. I have the address of a man who takes
people to places of their interest (like cemetery etc.) He has a lot of
addresses of people all over the world. He is a walking encyclopedia. He gave
me an address of a man in Israel who lived in the same appartment house as I
did. I allready heard >from the man. Anyone wishing his address email me. Lili
Susser
Lili Susser
Susserl@...
2117 Hollywood Dr.
Pueblo,Colorado


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland Visiting Lodz #lodz #poland

Seflaum@...
 

Dear Fellow Researchers:

The following message is forwarded to this mailing list with the permission
of the author:

I just returned >from Lodz. I visited what was once my home and school.
People were very friendly and helpful. I have the address of a man who takes
people to places of their interest (like cemetery etc.) He has a lot of
addresses of people all over the world. He is a walking encyclopedia. He gave
me an address of a man in Israel who lived in the same appartment house as I
did. I allready heard >from the man. Anyone wishing his address email me. Lili
Susser
Lili Susser
Susserl@...
2117 Hollywood Dr.
Pueblo,Colorado


Dubin and Korsunsky, Bronx Jewelers #general

SHEILA TOFFELL <toffell@...>
 

Does anyone know anything about the owners of this store, which was around
until the 50's or 60's?.
Sheila Toffell


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Dubin and Korsunsky, Bronx Jewelers #general

SHEILA TOFFELL <toffell@...>
 

Does anyone know anything about the owners of this store, which was around
until the 50's or 60's?.
Sheila Toffell


FW: Moderators: Please post to all your lists #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <Lmagyar@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 9:41 AM


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Re: 1952 Stalinist trial of jewish intelligentsia #hungary

Deborah Zaccaro <dzaccaro@...>
 

Slightly off topic but potentially of interest, I have just picked up a book
published in 1994 that contains transcripts of the "trial" conducted in 1952
against jewish intelligentsia in Moscow, centered around the Jewish
Antifascist Committee. If anyone has relatives or knows of anyone who would
be interested in this material they can contact me at dzaccaro@....
Some biographical info on the victims.
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail >from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com


Re: Fw: Genealogical Protocol #general

Hilary Henkin <propper@...>
 

Dear Norman,
Rob Kuijsten has not stolen yours, or anyone else's messages. All he has
done is provide a single means of searching every genealogy discussion
group simultaneously. Neither he nor anyone else on the usual internet
can access private emails, so if yours are on deja.com, you must have
cc:'ed them to the group, or something similar.

Rob does not have the ability to change a posted message (such as who it's
from), and deja.com doesn't either. It's all automatic. The messages you
accuse him of stealing are already available to anyone with internet access,
and have been since the moments you posted them. This has been the case
for many, many years, long before anyone thought the great quivering masses
would be trying to use their CD-Rom drives as cup holders.

If you now choose to curtail your postings because the entire world can
access them, that's certainly your choice. On the other hand, I've used
deja.com to _find_ relatives, because they'd posted to some discussion
group. Actually, many of the people who periodically post their surnames
do so solely because those names will then turn up in a deja.com search.
It's a great way to find family!

Good luck to you in your own searches.

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: 1952 Stalinist trial of jewish intelligentsia #hungary

Deborah Zaccaro <dzaccaro@...>
 

Slightly off topic but potentially of interest, I have just picked up a book
published in 1994 that contains transcripts of the "trial" conducted in 1952
against jewish intelligentsia in Moscow, centered around the Jewish
Antifascist Committee. If anyone has relatives or knows of anyone who would
be interested in this material they can contact me at dzaccaro@....
Some biographical info on the victims.
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail >from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com


Hungary SIG #Hungary FW: Moderators: Please post to all your lists #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <Lmagyar@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Skydell [mailto:skydell@...]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 9:41 AM


-----------------------------------------------------------------
--------------
Subject: To all those registered in JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF):


In order to insure the maximum degree of privacy possible in a
public website, JewishGen has redesigned the submission process
for those who enter their surnames/towns of interest into the
JewishGen Family Finder (JGFF). New entrants using the ENTER
feature will find all this spelled out. JewishGenners who have
already entered their data will be able to make the changes in
the MODIFY mode.

First, we are offering the following choices on how you want
your contact address to be displayed. You simply select
whichever format you prefer, choosing >from the following three
options:

1. Display my researcher code only (provides maximum privacy
through a protected e-mail contact system, similar to that
used with the Family Tree of the Jewish People (FTJP)).
This is a new feature.

2. Display my name and e-mail address (insures privacy to a
degree).

3. Display my name, e-mail address, and complete postal
address (least degree of privacy).

Further, since JewishGen reserves the right to contact JGFF
submitters with information regarding projects or programs which
may enhance individual research, we are offering the following
for how you want your JGFF information shared:

1. Share my details with JewishGen partnered or hosted
organizations which might benefit my research.
(This option has been pre-selected on your behalf)

You are free to change the selection to:

2. DO NOT share my details with any other organization.

All of the above are examples of what you will find if you click
on ENTER as a brand new entrant to the JGFF, or under MODIFY if
you are already listed in the JGFF. You must go to the JGFF to
effect these changes:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff>.

Those using the MODIFY system will need to be prepared with
their Researcher Code and Password in order to make any
changes.

If you have forgotten your Researcher Code, go to the JGFF at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff> and click on SEARCH. Type in
any surname or town that you have previously listed in the
database, and you can then scroll through the search results.
When you find your name listed, you will see your JGFF
Researcher Code in parenthesis right next to your name. Please
write it down and consider taping it right onto your computer.
For more information, see
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/jgff-faq.html#q5.10>.

If you have forgotten your password, send an e-mail to
<password@...>, providing your full name,
address and Researcher Code. When you get your password by
return e-mail, please write it down as well, , especially if it
is a
series of numbers. When you go into MODIFY, it's a good idea to
modify your password >from a number to a word that you will
remember.

Once in the MODIFY screen, enter your Researcher Code and
Password, and select the first option, "Modify Researcher
Information (Your Name/Address/Password/Display)", and you will
be taken to the page that has all the information that you've
entered regarding your name/address/password/display. Make
whatever changes you like and then be sure to click on the
button that says "Update Researcher Details"

If you need help please send a message explaining the problem to
<techsupport@...>.

Our final effort at insuring that the JGFF is not used by
professionals soliciting research for a fee or making any
attempt to sell you information or products, is to provide a
help desk for you to contact should you be approached by anyone
with a product or a service for sale. Please address all
instances of abuse to <JGFFabuse@...> enclosing a copy
of whatever message you have received that you consider to be an
invasion of your privacy.

For more information about the JewishGen Family Finder, see
the "JGFF FAQ" at <http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/jgff-faq.html>.

Please, do not send your desired changes to me. YOU ARE
EXPECTED TO MANAGE THIS YOURSELF and JewishGen has no
secretarial staff to make changes for you.

Many thanks for your anticipated cooperation.

Carol Skydell
JewishGen Operations

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Personal messages to -->skydell@...
JewishGen business to -->cskydell@...
Thank you!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Fw: Genealogical Protocol #general

Hilary Henkin <propper@...>
 

Dear Norman,
Rob Kuijsten has not stolen yours, or anyone else's messages. All he has
done is provide a single means of searching every genealogy discussion
group simultaneously. Neither he nor anyone else on the usual internet
can access private emails, so if yours are on deja.com, you must have
cc:'ed them to the group, or something similar.

Rob does not have the ability to change a posted message (such as who it's
from), and deja.com doesn't either. It's all automatic. The messages you
accuse him of stealing are already available to anyone with internet access,
and have been since the moments you posted them. This has been the case
for many, many years, long before anyone thought the great quivering masses
would be trying to use their CD-Rom drives as cup holders.

If you now choose to curtail your postings because the entire world can
access them, that's certainly your choice. On the other hand, I've used
deja.com to _find_ relatives, because they'd posted to some discussion
group. Actually, many of the people who periodically post their surnames
do so solely because those names will then turn up in a deja.com search.
It's a great way to find family!

Good luck to you in your own searches.

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, Georgia


Re: SLC seminar #hungary

korman3 <korman3@...>
 

Did anyone find out, while at the seminar, the status of FHL filming of
the Bratislava and Nytra archives, the status of filming the 1869 census
at the Presov archive and the status of the filming of the additional
Budapest records?

Debbi


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: SLC seminar #hungary

korman3 <korman3@...>
 

Did anyone find out, while at the seminar, the status of FHL filming of
the Bratislava and Nytra archives, the status of filming the 1869 census
at the Presov archive and the status of the filming of the additional
Budapest records?

Debbi


Burying Unnamed Babies and VERY Young Babies #general

Ricki L. Zunk <rickiz@...>
 

First I want to thank all of you lovely folks who responded to my
request. There were so many responses, that I can't possibly reply to
you all individually. So let me say here and now, Thank You All So
Very Much!

Here's what I learned >from everyone:

Yes, then and now, it is common practice to bury these babies in a
section all their own. Frequently, these burials are in a "special"
part of the cemetery designated specifically for the burial of
infants. Apparently it is a "good move" for the business of burials,
because the interred bodies are so small that they can fit more of
them in a smaller area. I know it sounds crass to even mention such
things, but cemeteries are, after all, businesses.

Sometimes, named babies can and will be buried in family plots. If
the family has their own plot, this is not unusual, assuming that
there is room in the plot.

Sometimes, if the family belonged to a burial society, the baby might
be buried with the family and not with the other babies.

It would appear that most cemeteries had/have such specialized area.
There is not always a marker where the babies are buried, and IF there
is a specific and separate burial entry in the cemetery's ledgers, it
is not necessarily a required thing. City, county, and state laws
apparently vary, making the specifics of such entries vary. If a
burial permit was needed for a baby, there has to be a record. If
not, you likely won't find any paperwork. Cemeteries, like other
businesses don't like unnecessary paperwork. Sad but true.

Hope that that helps those of you who wanted to know what I've
learned. I know that several detailed replies to my post were also
sent to the list in general. Put that information plus this
information together, and you probably have the general answers you
need.

Good Luck to you all,
Ricki Zunk
Kendall, FL

MODERATOR NOTE: Since the original question has been
answered satisfactorily, we can now close this thread.
Anyone with further comments, please continue privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Burying Unnamed Babies and VERY Young Babies #general

Ricki L. Zunk <rickiz@...>
 

First I want to thank all of you lovely folks who responded to my
request. There were so many responses, that I can't possibly reply to
you all individually. So let me say here and now, Thank You All So
Very Much!

Here's what I learned >from everyone:

Yes, then and now, it is common practice to bury these babies in a
section all their own. Frequently, these burials are in a "special"
part of the cemetery designated specifically for the burial of
infants. Apparently it is a "good move" for the business of burials,
because the interred bodies are so small that they can fit more of
them in a smaller area. I know it sounds crass to even mention such
things, but cemeteries are, after all, businesses.

Sometimes, named babies can and will be buried in family plots. If
the family has their own plot, this is not unusual, assuming that
there is room in the plot.

Sometimes, if the family belonged to a burial society, the baby might
be buried with the family and not with the other babies.

It would appear that most cemeteries had/have such specialized area.
There is not always a marker where the babies are buried, and IF there
is a specific and separate burial entry in the cemetery's ledgers, it
is not necessarily a required thing. City, county, and state laws
apparently vary, making the specifics of such entries vary. If a
burial permit was needed for a baby, there has to be a record. If
not, you likely won't find any paperwork. Cemeteries, like other
businesses don't like unnecessary paperwork. Sad but true.

Hope that that helps those of you who wanted to know what I've
learned. I know that several detailed replies to my post were also
sent to the list in general. Put that information plus this
information together, and you probably have the general answers you
need.

Good Luck to you all,
Ricki Zunk
Kendall, FL

MODERATOR NOTE: Since the original question has been
answered satisfactorily, we can now close this thread.
Anyone with further comments, please continue privately.


Re: Don't place too much reliance on ONS! #general

Harry Dodsworth <af877@...>
 

I think Naidia Woolf is being unkind is criticising GRO for not
finding her relatives when she gave them the wrong names/dates :-)
There are errors in the GRO records. The indexes were prepared
from data submitted by district registrars and certainly there are
omissions and transcription errors. There is actually a book written
about them, Comedy of Errors? but presently out of print.
The 1881 transcription of the census of mainland Britain is a
valuable tool but has many errors. These may come >from the original
enumeration or subsequent transcriptions. Ages are notoriously
inaccurate.

Her advice to do your own research is excellent. More fun to find
the ancestor and you are more likely to spot someone of the same
name.
I find references in the GRO BMD indexes (St. Catherine's indexes)
and then order the certificates directly >from ONS in Southport.
This is more convenient if you are ordering certificates registered
in different offices although slightly more expensive. Also ONS take
credit cards and many local offices don't. Both ONS and local offices
are backlogged with requests for certificates for genealogy.
All local offices do not use the same procedures although the
centralized British system is much easier to use than the patchwork
US system.

Birmingham Reference Library is excellent; I had a day there two
weeks ago and found unexpected information on several lines in books
on the open shelves, and I have no family >from Birmingham!

Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Don't place too much reliance on ONS! #general

Harry Dodsworth <af877@...>
 

I think Naidia Woolf is being unkind is criticising GRO for not
finding her relatives when she gave them the wrong names/dates :-)
There are errors in the GRO records. The indexes were prepared
from data submitted by district registrars and certainly there are
omissions and transcription errors. There is actually a book written
about them, Comedy of Errors? but presently out of print.
The 1881 transcription of the census of mainland Britain is a
valuable tool but has many errors. These may come >from the original
enumeration or subsequent transcriptions. Ages are notoriously
inaccurate.

Her advice to do your own research is excellent. More fun to find
the ancestor and you are more likely to spot someone of the same
name.
I find references in the GRO BMD indexes (St. Catherine's indexes)
and then order the certificates directly >from ONS in Southport.
This is more convenient if you are ordering certificates registered
in different offices although slightly more expensive. Also ONS take
credit cards and many local offices don't. Both ONS and local offices
are backlogged with requests for certificates for genealogy.
All local offices do not use the same procedures although the
centralized British system is much easier to use than the patchwork
US system.

Birmingham Reference Library is excellent; I had a day there two
weeks ago and found unexpected information on several lines in books
on the open shelves, and I have no family >from Birmingham!

Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@...


Thank you #general

pd Fisher <fisherpaul@...>
 

A big thank you to everyone who replied about my grandparents portraits.

The consensus is yes, they are wedding portraits.

Paul Fisher
Minneapolis, Minnesota


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank you #general

pd Fisher <fisherpaul@...>
 

A big thank you to everyone who replied about my grandparents portraits.

The consensus is yes, they are wedding portraits.

Paul Fisher
Minneapolis, Minnesota