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Re: Bobrka and Dukla #galicia

Peter Zavon <PZavon@...>
 

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 "LINDA MULLER" <muller_l@hotmail.com> said, in part:

I am researching my own family roots (not Jewish) of two small towns
outide =

of Dukla, Wiertzno and Leki-Dukielski.

In my own research, I've found some information on Bobrka, supposedly th=
e =

cradle of the world oil industry, and formerly a Jewish town and made so=
me

visits to Dukla nearby, also a formerly Jewish town. If anyone is =
interested in exchanging information on this area of Poland please let m=
e =

know.
and the Moderator added:

[Moderator note: The town of Bobrka that Linda is talking about is in
Poland today, and it is not the shtetl Bobrka that some of our members
are researching. Though of course someone might have relatives >from thi=
s
Polish town, the shtetl most of us research is now called Bibrka and it =
is in the Ukraine, 38 km south of Lviv. It might be interesting to find=
out if there really was a Jewish pressence in the Polish Bobrka, and som=
e
of us might see our research go forward. Thank you Linda for your offer=
]

In Gundacker's" Gazetteer of the Former Galicia and Bukowina" I can find
reference to four places in Galicia that were called Bobrka. In addition=

to the big one in modern Ukraine, which was the center of an Administrati=
ve
District and had a substantial Jewish population, the three others were:

-- Bobrka in the Krosno District and Dukla Jewish District (in modern
Poland). This town was also the seat of a Roman Catholic Parish. This
would seem to be the Bobrka that Linda Muller was discussing.

-- Bobrka, the name of a section of Krzeczowice, a town in the Lancut
Administrative District and Przeworsk Court District. Jewish vital recor=
ds
for Krzeczowice were reported through the Kanczuga Jewish District. this=

is in modern Poland.

-- Bobrka in the Lisko Administrative District and Jewish District. Thi=
s
town was also the seat of a Greek Catholoc parish and is now in modern
Poland.

The nature of the entries in Gundacker, and the fact that three Bobrka's
and one Krzeczowice are also listed in Suzan Wynne's materials on Jewish
Administrative districts, suggests that there was a Jewish presence at so=
me
time, perhaps a very small one, in each of these towns.

Peter Zavon, Editor
Gesher Galicia Family Finder
Penfield, NY

PZAVON@Compuserve.com


The Struma Project #galicia

Joel Ives <jives@...>
 

Dear Fellow Genealogists,

I would to thank Judi Davies for bringing up the tragedy of the Struma.
I am
involved with Gesher Galicia due to my Bohorodczany/Stanislawow families
however,
I also had a relative who was aboard the Struma when it was blown up in
1942 in
the Black Sea.

I have been very involved in the Struma project and will be going to
Istanbul at
the end of the month to participate in the activities.

If anyone has any connection with the Struma I would be interested in
hearing from
them.

Joel Ives
Fair Lawn, New Jersey USA


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Bobrka and Dukla #galicia

Peter Zavon <PZavon@...>
 

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 "LINDA MULLER" <muller_l@hotmail.com> said, in part:

I am researching my own family roots (not Jewish) of two small towns
outide =

of Dukla, Wiertzno and Leki-Dukielski.

In my own research, I've found some information on Bobrka, supposedly th=
e =

cradle of the world oil industry, and formerly a Jewish town and made so=
me

visits to Dukla nearby, also a formerly Jewish town. If anyone is =
interested in exchanging information on this area of Poland please let m=
e =

know.
and the Moderator added:

[Moderator note: The town of Bobrka that Linda is talking about is in
Poland today, and it is not the shtetl Bobrka that some of our members
are researching. Though of course someone might have relatives >from thi=
s
Polish town, the shtetl most of us research is now called Bibrka and it =
is in the Ukraine, 38 km south of Lviv. It might be interesting to find=
out if there really was a Jewish pressence in the Polish Bobrka, and som=
e
of us might see our research go forward. Thank you Linda for your offer=
]

In Gundacker's" Gazetteer of the Former Galicia and Bukowina" I can find
reference to four places in Galicia that were called Bobrka. In addition=

to the big one in modern Ukraine, which was the center of an Administrati=
ve
District and had a substantial Jewish population, the three others were:

-- Bobrka in the Krosno District and Dukla Jewish District (in modern
Poland). This town was also the seat of a Roman Catholic Parish. This
would seem to be the Bobrka that Linda Muller was discussing.

-- Bobrka, the name of a section of Krzeczowice, a town in the Lancut
Administrative District and Przeworsk Court District. Jewish vital recor=
ds
for Krzeczowice were reported through the Kanczuga Jewish District. this=

is in modern Poland.

-- Bobrka in the Lisko Administrative District and Jewish District. Thi=
s
town was also the seat of a Greek Catholoc parish and is now in modern
Poland.

The nature of the entries in Gundacker, and the fact that three Bobrka's
and one Krzeczowice are also listed in Suzan Wynne's materials on Jewish
Administrative districts, suggests that there was a Jewish presence at so=
me
time, perhaps a very small one, in each of these towns.

Peter Zavon, Editor
Gesher Galicia Family Finder
Penfield, NY

PZAVON@Compuserve.com


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia The Struma Project #galicia

Joel Ives <jives@...>
 

Dear Fellow Genealogists,

I would to thank Judi Davies for bringing up the tragedy of the Struma.
I am
involved with Gesher Galicia due to my Bohorodczany/Stanislawow families
however,
I also had a relative who was aboard the Struma when it was blown up in
1942 in
the Black Sea.

I have been very involved in the Struma project and will be going to
Istanbul at
the end of the month to participate in the activities.

If anyone has any connection with the Struma I would be interested in
hearing from
them.

Joel Ives
Fair Lawn, New Jersey USA


Re: Checkout the New Kolomea ShtetLinks web site #galicia

Leslie Gyi <leslie@...>
 

Or you can use the detailed URL below to go directly to this instead of all
the clicks listed in the directions:

http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/Kolomea/kolomAD.htm

Leslie Gyi
Merrimack, NH 03054
Researching FEIGs Anywhere
POLLAKs in Carpathia
Hajniks in Poland
Goldenbergs in Poland

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan [mailto:alanboy@erols.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 8:48 AM
To: Gesher Galicia SIG
Subject: Checkout the New Kolomea ShtetLinks web site


The Kolomea Research Group has established the Kolomea ShtetLinks web site.

Go to <http://www.jewishgen.org> , scroll down and click on Shtetlinks. Then
scroll down and click on Ukraine. Scroll down and click on Kolomea. There
you are. The homepage identifies the topics which eventually will be
covered on the site. The site will focus on towns that comprised the old
Galitzian Kolomea Administrative District. If you wish to join the Kolomea
Research Group, please see our Data Form on the site or contact me.

Alan Weiser, Coordinator
Kolomea Research Group & Kolomea Web Site
<alanboy@erols.com>
Silver Spring, MD

Family >from or nearby Lviv? Let JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers take you there!
http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/lviv.html
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Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: Checkout the New Kolomea ShtetLinks web site #galicia

Leslie Gyi <leslie@...>
 

Or you can use the detailed URL below to go directly to this instead of all
the clicks listed in the directions:

http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/Kolomea/kolomAD.htm

Leslie Gyi
Merrimack, NH 03054
Researching FEIGs Anywhere
POLLAKs in Carpathia
Hajniks in Poland
Goldenbergs in Poland

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan [mailto:alanboy@erols.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 8:48 AM
To: Gesher Galicia SIG
Subject: Checkout the New Kolomea ShtetLinks web site


The Kolomea Research Group has established the Kolomea ShtetLinks web site.

Go to <http://www.jewishgen.org> , scroll down and click on Shtetlinks. Then
scroll down and click on Ukraine. Scroll down and click on Kolomea. There
you are. The homepage identifies the topics which eventually will be
covered on the site. The site will focus on towns that comprised the old
Galitzian Kolomea Administrative District. If you wish to join the Kolomea
Research Group, please see our Data Form on the site or contact me.

Alan Weiser, Coordinator
Kolomea Research Group & Kolomea Web Site
<alanboy@erols.com>
Silver Spring, MD

Family >from or nearby Lviv? Let JewishGen ShtetlSchleppers take you there!
http://www.jewishgen.org/shtetlschleppers/lviv.html
---
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by
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Visit our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org/galicia

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Was someone born in Galicia considered a Pole or Austrian #galicia

Wwhwhf@...
 

The question as stated -- Was someone born in Galicia considered a Pole or an
Austrian -- has no clear answer because it is stated too simplistically and
imprecisely. Any single answer to the question as stated is necessarily
naive. One must first know:

1) What is meant by "considered"? "considered" in what sense?
Considered for purposes of issuance of passport? Considered as far a
citizenship goes? Considered in terms of ethnic group membership?

2) Who is doing the considering? One's friends and family? the government
then in power in Galicia? countries other than Austria-Hungary or Poland, for
purposes of immigration or quotas or census?

3) For what period in history is one doing the considering? During the
Austro-Hungarian Empire? During period when all of Galicia was governed by
the republic of Poland? Today? If for defining citizenship or application for
passport or safeconduct pass, the historical period is critical.

4) Is the period when the person born really significant for purposes of
this consideration? For example, someone born in Galicia under Austria
Hungary, who emigrated before World War I was an Austro=Hungarian citizen. If
that same person remained there until the period between the World Wars and
then wished to emigrate, that same person was then a Polish citizen and
eligible for a Polish passport.

5)Where in Galicia? If one is discussing present-day Galicia, the answer
to a citizenship question could be either Polish or Ukrainian citizen, but
never Austrian.

6) Persons who emigrated >from Galicia before World War I reported to US
immigration authorities that they were >from Austria or Austria Hungary, but
when among friends, especially between the World Wars, when asked where they
came from, would say Poland -- both because the area was then under Polish
governance and because it had been the Polish part of Austria Hungary.

If the question is re-phrased, it would be easier to reply.

William Fern


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Was someone born in Galicia considered a Pole or Austrian #galicia

Wwhwhf@...
 

The question as stated -- Was someone born in Galicia considered a Pole or an
Austrian -- has no clear answer because it is stated too simplistically and
imprecisely. Any single answer to the question as stated is necessarily
naive. One must first know:

1) What is meant by "considered"? "considered" in what sense?
Considered for purposes of issuance of passport? Considered as far a
citizenship goes? Considered in terms of ethnic group membership?

2) Who is doing the considering? One's friends and family? the government
then in power in Galicia? countries other than Austria-Hungary or Poland, for
purposes of immigration or quotas or census?

3) For what period in history is one doing the considering? During the
Austro-Hungarian Empire? During period when all of Galicia was governed by
the republic of Poland? Today? If for defining citizenship or application for
passport or safeconduct pass, the historical period is critical.

4) Is the period when the person born really significant for purposes of
this consideration? For example, someone born in Galicia under Austria
Hungary, who emigrated before World War I was an Austro=Hungarian citizen. If
that same person remained there until the period between the World Wars and
then wished to emigrate, that same person was then a Polish citizen and
eligible for a Polish passport.

5)Where in Galicia? If one is discussing present-day Galicia, the answer
to a citizenship question could be either Polish or Ukrainian citizen, but
never Austrian.

6) Persons who emigrated >from Galicia before World War I reported to US
immigration authorities that they were >from Austria or Austria Hungary, but
when among friends, especially between the World Wars, when asked where they
came from, would say Poland -- both because the area was then under Polish
governance and because it had been the Polish part of Austria Hungary.

If the question is re-phrased, it would be easier to reply.

William Fern


Re: Nationality #galicia

Peter Zavon <PZavon@...>
 

=

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 Harvey <panthercat644@yahoo.com> asked:

Was someone born in Galicia considered a Pole or an
Austrian ?
Anyone born in Galicia when it existed as a province of the
Austro-Hungarian Empire or, earlier, of the Hapsburg Empire, was a Subjec=
t
of the Emperor of Austria for official purposes. Such a person would hav=
e
been recorded as "Austrian" for most official purposes, such as obtaining=

US citizenship.

However, The Austro-Hungarian Empire was a multi-ethnic empire. It
subjects generally maintained their ethnic identities. So an Austrian
subject might describe himself as a Pole or a Czech, etc. Jews were
generally seen as an ethnic group, so many would dscribe themselves as Je=
ws
rather than Poles, for example. The more secularized might have prefered=

to call themselves Poles rather than Jews,or Austrians rather than Jews,
but official procedures might have prevented that.

People born in what had been Galicia but was then part of inter-war Polan=
d
(>from 1920 until WWII) would have been citizens of Poland and would have
been recorded as such. They would be Poles for purposed of obtaining US
citizenship. =


Peter Zavon, Editor
Gesher Galicia Family Finder
Penfield, NY

PZAVON@Compuserve.com


Re: Nationality #galicia

Peter Jassem <jassep@...>
 

Harvey [SMTP:panthercat644@yahoo.com] wrote:
Was someone born in Galicia considered a Pole or an Austrian ?

The term Galicia was the name Austrians applied to the traditional part of
Poland inhabited mostly by Poles, Ukrainians (eastern part) and Jews, that
they annexed in the process of partitions of Poland. Therefore people who
lived there between 1772 and 1918 (only) under Austrian administration were
in political sense Austrian subjects and documents >from that period such as
civil and immigration records, ship manifests etc. will reflect this. In
national, ethnic or linguistic sense however they were not Austrians and
referred to themselves as Poles, Ukrainians or Jews.

Peter Jassem
jassep@tdbank.ca
Toronto, Ontario


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia Re: Nationality #galicia

Peter Zavon <PZavon@...>
 

=

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 Harvey <panthercat644@yahoo.com> asked:

Was someone born in Galicia considered a Pole or an
Austrian ?
Anyone born in Galicia when it existed as a province of the
Austro-Hungarian Empire or, earlier, of the Hapsburg Empire, was a Subjec=
t
of the Emperor of Austria for official purposes. Such a person would hav=
e
been recorded as "Austrian" for most official purposes, such as obtaining=

US citizenship.

However, The Austro-Hungarian Empire was a multi-ethnic empire. It
subjects generally maintained their ethnic identities. So an Austrian
subject might describe himself as a Pole or a Czech, etc. Jews were
generally seen as an ethnic group, so many would dscribe themselves as Je=
ws
rather than Poles, for example. The more secularized might have prefered=

to call themselves Poles rather than Jews,or Austrians rather than Jews,
but official procedures might have prevented that.

People born in what had been Galicia but was then part of inter-war Polan=
d
(>from 1920 until WWII) would have been citizens of Poland and would have
been recorded as such. They would be Poles for purposed of obtaining US
citizenship. =


Peter Zavon, Editor
Gesher Galicia Family Finder
Penfield, NY

PZAVON@Compuserve.com


Gesher Galicia SIG #Galicia RE: Nationality #galicia

Peter Jassem <jassep@...>
 

Harvey [SMTP:panthercat644@yahoo.com] wrote:
Was someone born in Galicia considered a Pole or an Austrian ?

The term Galicia was the name Austrians applied to the traditional part of
Poland inhabited mostly by Poles, Ukrainians (eastern part) and Jews, that
they annexed in the process of partitions of Poland. Therefore people who
lived there between 1772 and 1918 (only) under Austrian administration were
in political sense Austrian subjects and documents >from that period such as
civil and immigration records, ship manifests etc. will reflect this. In
national, ethnic or linguistic sense however they were not Austrians and
referred to themselves as Poles, Ukrainians or Jews.

Peter Jassem
jassep@tdbank.ca
Toronto, Ontario


An Appeal to all survivors and descendants from Rozan, Poland #general

Ada Holtzman <ada01@...>
 

On behalf of The Association of the Former Jewish Residents of Rozan Nad
Narev, Poland in Israel I appeal to all survivors and descendants >from
that town to contact the chairman in order to
participate in two special memorial projects.

One project is building a memorial monument in the center of town, on
the plot where once stood the grand synagogue of town before the
destruction, and restoration of the Rozan's old Jewish Cemetery.

The second project is posting the Yizkor book of Rozan, English part
and translations >from the Yiddish and Hebrew parts in JewishGen Yizkor
Books database.

Thank you, shalom,

Ada Holtzman
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/

MODERATOR NOTE: Contact information for the Chairman of the Association
was deleted. JewishGen's policy is not to violate personal privacy by
posting the address, telephone number or email address of another
individual in the Discussion Group. Please contact Ada Holtzman at
<ada01@netvision.net.il> for more information.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen An Appeal to all survivors and descendants from Rozan, Poland #general

Ada Holtzman <ada01@...>
 

On behalf of The Association of the Former Jewish Residents of Rozan Nad
Narev, Poland in Israel I appeal to all survivors and descendants >from
that town to contact the chairman in order to
participate in two special memorial projects.

One project is building a memorial monument in the center of town, on
the plot where once stood the grand synagogue of town before the
destruction, and restoration of the Rozan's old Jewish Cemetery.

The second project is posting the Yizkor book of Rozan, English part
and translations >from the Yiddish and Hebrew parts in JewishGen Yizkor
Books database.

Thank you, shalom,

Ada Holtzman
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/

MODERATOR NOTE: Contact information for the Chairman of the Association
was deleted. JewishGen's policy is not to violate personal privacy by
posting the address, telephone number or email address of another
individual in the Discussion Group. Please contact Ada Holtzman at
<ada01@netvision.net.il> for more information.


Kaligia? - Birthplace in 1920 census #general

LClauson@...
 

Relative lists as his birthplace, Kaligia. Letter "g" could be "z"
or "y". There is no listing in Where Once We Walked. Most census
listed birthplaces are countries. Nothing in Jewishgen search records.
Appreciate any ideas.

Thanks

Lois Clauson
California


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kaligia? - Birthplace in 1920 census #general

LClauson@...
 

Relative lists as his birthplace, Kaligia. Letter "g" could be "z"
or "y". There is no listing in Where Once We Walked. Most census
listed birthplaces are countries. Nothing in Jewishgen search records.
Appreciate any ideas.

Thanks

Lois Clauson
California


seeking Philip Siegel of Har Nof, Israel #general

Saul Goldstone <sgoldsto@...>
 

Jewisgeners,

I found the following person (Philip Gary Siegel) in the JGFF database and
have sent him an email which has bounced back as "undeliverable". If anyone
knows his correct email address .... please send it to me.

Phillip Gary Siegel (#14629)
Har Nof Israel
pgs@isracom.net.il

Thanks,
Saul Goldstone
Saratoga, California
sgoldsto@ix.netcom.com


No Spammers Please Explain #general

Carol Raspler
 

Not all of us are totally computer literate - yet. So for our sake, could
those of you with this "no spam" business in your addresses please tell us
exactly how to contact you when you send a letter to the Discussion
Group? Or am I out of line here?

[Aaron Gross re Philadelphia Yiddish newspapers please copy and get in
touch with me].

Thanks to all for your patience and understanding.
Carol Raspler, Delray Beach, FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen seeking Philip Siegel of Har Nof, Israel #general

Saul Goldstone <sgoldsto@...>
 

Jewisgeners,

I found the following person (Philip Gary Siegel) in the JGFF database and
have sent him an email which has bounced back as "undeliverable". If anyone
knows his correct email address .... please send it to me.

Phillip Gary Siegel (#14629)
Har Nof Israel
pgs@isracom.net.il

Thanks,
Saul Goldstone
Saratoga, California
sgoldsto@ix.netcom.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen No Spammers Please Explain #general

Carol Raspler
 

Not all of us are totally computer literate - yet. So for our sake, could
those of you with this "no spam" business in your addresses please tell us
exactly how to contact you when you send a letter to the Discussion
Group? Or am I out of line here?

[Aaron Gross re Philadelphia Yiddish newspapers please copy and get in
touch with me].

Thanks to all for your patience and understanding.
Carol Raspler, Delray Beach, FL