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The WEIL/WEIJEL family #general

Werner Frank <wlfrank@...>
 

In his note of 18 August 2000, R. van Wijngaarden provides an accurate
summary of the book "Het Geslacht de Weille". Unfortunately, the data
and conclusion reached in this 1936 published Dutch book are significantly
in error with respect to the identification of "their" Jacob/Jequel HaLevi
as Jacob WEIL, the grandson of the famous Rabbi Jacob WEIL, known as the
Mahari"v (not Mahari"n).

The WEIL rabbinical family were not Levites, hence further proof of this
distinction.

I have researched the WEIL/WEILL family for a number of years and have a
significant database of several thousand descendants...for the most part
reflecting Southern German history since the fourteenth century.
Connections also go to Eastern Europe where intermarriages took place with
other well known rabbinical dynasties. So far, I have not been able to
connect these "east of the Rhine" WEILs with those in Alsace.

I have also followed WEILs to Southwest German communities for which I have
been unable to establish a connection to the rabbinical family, such as:
Schmieheim, Emmendingen, Eischstetten, Nonnenweier, and Randegg.

Anyone interested in this WEIL/WEILL family genealogy should contact me
privately and we can pursue this further.

Werner L. Frank
Calabasas, CA USA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The WEIL/WEIJEL family #general

Werner Frank <wlfrank@...>
 

In his note of 18 August 2000, R. van Wijngaarden provides an accurate
summary of the book "Het Geslacht de Weille". Unfortunately, the data
and conclusion reached in this 1936 published Dutch book are significantly
in error with respect to the identification of "their" Jacob/Jequel HaLevi
as Jacob WEIL, the grandson of the famous Rabbi Jacob WEIL, known as the
Mahari"v (not Mahari"n).

The WEIL rabbinical family were not Levites, hence further proof of this
distinction.

I have researched the WEIL/WEILL family for a number of years and have a
significant database of several thousand descendants...for the most part
reflecting Southern German history since the fourteenth century.
Connections also go to Eastern Europe where intermarriages took place with
other well known rabbinical dynasties. So far, I have not been able to
connect these "east of the Rhine" WEILs with those in Alsace.

I have also followed WEILs to Southwest German communities for which I have
been unable to establish a connection to the rabbinical family, such as:
Schmieheim, Emmendingen, Eischstetten, Nonnenweier, and Randegg.

Anyone interested in this WEIL/WEILL family genealogy should contact me
privately and we can pursue this further.

Werner L. Frank
Calabasas, CA USA


Re: WEIL/WEIJEL: functions of Rabbis (and Jomtobs) and Levites #general

r. van wijngaarden <r.van.wijngaarden@...>
 

Mr Bernet,

I really appreciated your comments on my reproduction of 'facts'

Michael you asked :
Can anyone tell me more about Rabbi Jomtob ha Levy Weil and his
genealogy, or about Yomtov/Jondorf haLevis in southern Germany.
I have found this

nr 122= R. Jomtob ha Levy b. Landau his 3 children are

123= Leiser Levy born Coblenz died 1615
124= Abraham levy born Coblenz
125= Zipporah levy born Coblenz married to Tobia Ruppershofen

123 has 2 childeren ------> 126 and 127
126= R.Jeqil Levy born in Trier
127= Eisiq levy born in Trier married to Schweig

124 has 3 kids nr 128,129,130
128= Salomo Levy
129= Jomtob Levy
130= a daughter married to Zadoq Meijer

126 has 5 children nr 131- 135
131= Meir Levy b Trier
132= Joseph Levy b. Trier
133= Suschen Levy b Trier married to Lippm. Leudolsheim
134= Serschen Levy b. trier married to Juda Metz
135= a daughter b. Trier married to Nathan Franklin

This is what I can do for you
Rene F.van Wijngaarden
Netherlands
E-mail : r.van.wijngaarden@hccnet.nl
Familytree at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Creek/6534
Searching for: Del Valle/Delvalle/Van Daelen/Salom del Valle/Delvalle
Saldana/Dovalle/Dovalhe/Delvaille


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: WEIL/WEIJEL: functions of Rabbis (and Jomtobs) and Levites #general

r. van wijngaarden <r.van.wijngaarden@...>
 

Mr Bernet,

I really appreciated your comments on my reproduction of 'facts'

Michael you asked :
Can anyone tell me more about Rabbi Jomtob ha Levy Weil and his
genealogy, or about Yomtov/Jondorf haLevis in southern Germany.
I have found this

nr 122= R. Jomtob ha Levy b. Landau his 3 children are

123= Leiser Levy born Coblenz died 1615
124= Abraham levy born Coblenz
125= Zipporah levy born Coblenz married to Tobia Ruppershofen

123 has 2 childeren ------> 126 and 127
126= R.Jeqil Levy born in Trier
127= Eisiq levy born in Trier married to Schweig

124 has 3 kids nr 128,129,130
128= Salomo Levy
129= Jomtob Levy
130= a daughter married to Zadoq Meijer

126 has 5 children nr 131- 135
131= Meir Levy b Trier
132= Joseph Levy b. Trier
133= Suschen Levy b Trier married to Lippm. Leudolsheim
134= Serschen Levy b. trier married to Juda Metz
135= a daughter b. Trier married to Nathan Franklin

This is what I can do for you
Rene F.van Wijngaarden
Netherlands
E-mail : r.van.wijngaarden@hccnet.nl
Familytree at: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Creek/6534
Searching for: Del Valle/Delvalle/Van Daelen/Salom del Valle/Delvalle
Saldana/Dovalle/Dovalhe/Delvaille


Look Up at Hebrew University in Jerusalem #general

M. Ronn
 

Is there anyone who could look a citation up for me in the card catalog
of Hebrew University of Jerusalem (the online catalog is not yet
complete). If so, please contact me privately. (I do not need copies of
any material. I would just like to know if they have a certain rare book).

Thank you,

Michoel Ronn
Brooklyn, NY
netronn@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Look Up at Hebrew University in Jerusalem #general

M. Ronn
 

Is there anyone who could look a citation up for me in the card catalog
of Hebrew University of Jerusalem (the online catalog is not yet
complete). If so, please contact me privately. (I do not need copies of
any material. I would just like to know if they have a certain rare book).

Thank you,

Michoel Ronn
Brooklyn, NY
netronn@hotmail.com


SCHICKS of Turnau, Austria #general

M. Ronn
 

A friend once saw (but no longer has) in some sort of a genealogical
reference book a citation for an article about the Schicks of Turnau,
Austria. Evidently the article included a description of Jewish life in
Turnau as well. If anyone can assist me in locating this citation for my
friend, I would be very greatful.

Yours,

Michoel Ronn
Brooklyn, NY
netronn@hotmail.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SCHICKS of Turnau, Austria #general

M. Ronn
 

A friend once saw (but no longer has) in some sort of a genealogical
reference book a citation for an article about the Schicks of Turnau,
Austria. Evidently the article included a description of Jewish life in
Turnau as well. If anyone can assist me in locating this citation for my
friend, I would be very greatful.

Yours,

Michoel Ronn
Brooklyn, NY
netronn@hotmail.com


Author Rolf LINDEMANN #general

Shofar Magazine <shofar@...>
 

Can anyone help? I'm looking for Rolf Lindemann, author of "Be careful in
the choice of your parents". The book was published privately in North
Miami Beach sometime after 1982. I'm interested as it refers to a
Kramrisch relative.

thanks

Irene Blaston irene@blaston.net
researching: KRAMRISCH >from Brody Galicia, Vienna, Bradford UK,
Manchester UK.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Author Rolf LINDEMANN #general

Shofar Magazine <shofar@...>
 

Can anyone help? I'm looking for Rolf Lindemann, author of "Be careful in
the choice of your parents". The book was published privately in North
Miami Beach sometime after 1982. I'm interested as it refers to a
Kramrisch relative.

thanks

Irene Blaston irene@blaston.net
researching: KRAMRISCH >from Brody Galicia, Vienna, Bradford UK,
Manchester UK.


Re: Passport Applications #general

Laurie Sans <lsans@...>
 

from NARA:
"Paper copies of passport applications, 1795-Mar. 1925, can be ordered by
mail >from National Archives and Records Administration, Attn: Old Military
and Civil Records (NWCTB), 700 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC
20408-0001, or by email to inquire@nara.gov. Your letter or email must
include the following information: your name and mailing (postal) address;
the passport applicant's name, year of birth, place of residence at the
time the application was made, and the approximate year of travel. The
applicant's year of birth and place of residence are used to distinguish
between persons having the same name. If we locate the records that you
request, we will send you an order form and instructions on ordering
copies. Paper copies of passport applications, Apr. 1925-present, can be
ordered by mail >from Department of State, Research & Liasion Branch,
1111 19th Street NW, Suite 200, Washington, DC 20522-1705. "

Hope this helps.
Laurie Sans in Ohio

From: FOODPHILE@aol.com
Can someone please point me in the right direction to get a copy of a
passport application for a passport issued in New York, in the 1940's
(after the war?) Thanks very much.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Passport Applications #general

Laurie Sans <lsans@...>
 

from NARA:
"Paper copies of passport applications, 1795-Mar. 1925, can be ordered by
mail >from National Archives and Records Administration, Attn: Old Military
and Civil Records (NWCTB), 700 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC
20408-0001, or by email to inquire@nara.gov. Your letter or email must
include the following information: your name and mailing (postal) address;
the passport applicant's name, year of birth, place of residence at the
time the application was made, and the approximate year of travel. The
applicant's year of birth and place of residence are used to distinguish
between persons having the same name. If we locate the records that you
request, we will send you an order form and instructions on ordering
copies. Paper copies of passport applications, Apr. 1925-present, can be
ordered by mail >from Department of State, Research & Liasion Branch,
1111 19th Street NW, Suite 200, Washington, DC 20522-1705. "

Hope this helps.
Laurie Sans in Ohio

From: FOODPHILE@aol.com
Can someone please point me in the right direction to get a copy of a
passport application for a passport issued in New York, in the 1940's
(after the war?) Thanks very much.


A SMITH Brickwall #general

Samuel D. Bieber <sdbieber@...>
 

I appear to be stuck on my mothers side and was wondering if anyone out
there might have some ideas on how to move forward:

My mother, Miriam SMITH is deceased, as is both her parents. Her only
sister is still alive but remembers little family history, One known
elderly cousin is still alive, and that's all I've found so far. I have
located her parents burial plot(s) and others of her family, but I'm still
waiting for written info >from the cemetery for 6 months now. The County
has not been very helpful in sending me my mothers birth/death certs, but
have agreed after I found an old POA form >from years ago. Except I've been
waiting for months for this as well.

Problem #1 - I've not been able to nail down SSN for either grandparent so
far and I'm holding out hope that either the certs will have my mothers SSN
and that will lead me back to her parents. Is there another track I could
try or just wait for the copies?

Problem #2 - A conflict in family lore-
version #1 My mothers father came over to this country >from the old USSR
"about" 1910 with his sister and parents when he was approx 4 years old.
Further, at Ellis Island, an overworked agent was tongue tied on the family
name and shorten it to SMITH. Somewhere, sometime, at least my gfather
landed in Chicago, married (nee HARRIS) and had two daughters - My mother
being a depression baby.

Version #2 - My ggfather (my mothers grandfather) sent first his brother
and then snuck his family, including my gfather out of USSR to avoid
persecution >from the czar. Further my ggfather and his brother were some
kind of guards/henchmen's for the czar and knew of the coming purge of
Jews and fled early. To further complicate matters, the ggfather &
brother, came into the USA (POE unknown) they changed the last names to
SMITH to blend in. It was alleged that the czar had agents over here to
track those who snuck out.

How in the world can I unravel these lore's and attempt to find the truth?

How/where do I even look for paper trails without original names?

btw - I have found that my mothers parents and "others" are interned in a
section of the cemetery that was sponsored by an old Russian-Jewish social
group of some kind - named BMA of Chicago, I believe. Has anyone heard of
this?

And, I do have plans to visit my mothers elderly cousin & the cemetery

Thanks!

Samuel D. Bieber
Wheeling, IL 60090 USA
sdbieber@poweruser.com or
sdbieber@yahoo.com
Researching (so far!) BIEBER, SMITH, HARRIS, STOCK


New email address for Iris Folkson #general

Iris Folkson <ifolkson@...>
 

My email address has changed to:

Iris Folkson - Douglaston, NY - USA
ifolkson@nyc.rr.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen A SMITH Brickwall #general

Samuel D. Bieber <sdbieber@...>
 

I appear to be stuck on my mothers side and was wondering if anyone out
there might have some ideas on how to move forward:

My mother, Miriam SMITH is deceased, as is both her parents. Her only
sister is still alive but remembers little family history, One known
elderly cousin is still alive, and that's all I've found so far. I have
located her parents burial plot(s) and others of her family, but I'm still
waiting for written info >from the cemetery for 6 months now. The County
has not been very helpful in sending me my mothers birth/death certs, but
have agreed after I found an old POA form >from years ago. Except I've been
waiting for months for this as well.

Problem #1 - I've not been able to nail down SSN for either grandparent so
far and I'm holding out hope that either the certs will have my mothers SSN
and that will lead me back to her parents. Is there another track I could
try or just wait for the copies?

Problem #2 - A conflict in family lore-
version #1 My mothers father came over to this country >from the old USSR
"about" 1910 with his sister and parents when he was approx 4 years old.
Further, at Ellis Island, an overworked agent was tongue tied on the family
name and shorten it to SMITH. Somewhere, sometime, at least my gfather
landed in Chicago, married (nee HARRIS) and had two daughters - My mother
being a depression baby.

Version #2 - My ggfather (my mothers grandfather) sent first his brother
and then snuck his family, including my gfather out of USSR to avoid
persecution >from the czar. Further my ggfather and his brother were some
kind of guards/henchmen's for the czar and knew of the coming purge of
Jews and fled early. To further complicate matters, the ggfather &
brother, came into the USA (POE unknown) they changed the last names to
SMITH to blend in. It was alleged that the czar had agents over here to
track those who snuck out.

How in the world can I unravel these lore's and attempt to find the truth?

How/where do I even look for paper trails without original names?

btw - I have found that my mothers parents and "others" are interned in a
section of the cemetery that was sponsored by an old Russian-Jewish social
group of some kind - named BMA of Chicago, I believe. Has anyone heard of
this?

And, I do have plans to visit my mothers elderly cousin & the cemetery

Thanks!

Samuel D. Bieber
Wheeling, IL 60090 USA
sdbieber@poweruser.com or
sdbieber@yahoo.com
Researching (so far!) BIEBER, SMITH, HARRIS, STOCK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New email address for Iris Folkson #general

Iris Folkson <ifolkson@...>
 

My email address has changed to:

Iris Folkson - Douglaston, NY - USA
ifolkson@nyc.rr.com


Researcher # 6849 #general

Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@...>
 

E-mails I send to JGFF researcher #6849 at Hmm613@aol.com keep bouncing.
There is no name attached to researcher number. The person is researching
Stawiski and the name they are looking for is Bednarski. I have been
contacting all who are interested in Stawiski about our Yizkor Book
translation and would like to contact this person. If researcher #6849
is out there or you know who is researching Bednarski >from Stawiski,
please contact me at janmallen@worldnet.net.att. Thank you.

Jan Meisels Allen
Agoura Hills, CA

Searching: Schlang/Szlang; Kleinman - Sochaczew, Poland
Freyer/Freier; Wilamowski; Piatkowski; Gutfarb; Kreplak; Kawkiewicz;
Shapiro; Leyzerson -- Stawiski/Zambrow/Lomza, Poland
Meisels; Sigal; Lieberman-- Brody, Ukraine
Reich, Wald, Zupnik-- Presov, Svidnik, Stropkov, Slovakia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Researcher # 6849 #general

Jan Meisels Allen <janmallen@...>
 

E-mails I send to JGFF researcher #6849 at Hmm613@aol.com keep bouncing.
There is no name attached to researcher number. The person is researching
Stawiski and the name they are looking for is Bednarski. I have been
contacting all who are interested in Stawiski about our Yizkor Book
translation and would like to contact this person. If researcher #6849
is out there or you know who is researching Bednarski >from Stawiski,
please contact me at janmallen@worldnet.net.att. Thank you.

Jan Meisels Allen
Agoura Hills, CA

Searching: Schlang/Szlang; Kleinman - Sochaczew, Poland
Freyer/Freier; Wilamowski; Piatkowski; Gutfarb; Kreplak; Kawkiewicz;
Shapiro; Leyzerson -- Stawiski/Zambrow/Lomza, Poland
Meisels; Sigal; Lieberman-- Brody, Ukraine
Reich, Wald, Zupnik-- Presov, Svidnik, Stropkov, Slovakia


Re: 1. MtDNA #dna

Al Bell <allbell@...>
 

On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:00:45 -0500 "DNA Testing, Ask the Experts digest"
<dna@lyris.jewishgen.org> writes:
Is there any way of finding a specific loci in the mtDNA that could
be matched with the paternal line.

I'm no geneticist, but I thought mitochondrial DNA came exclusively from
the mother, just like the Y chromosome comes exclusively >from the father.
If so, nothing in the MtDNA matches anything in the paternal line. If
not, then I'm just wrong.
There are a number of articles on the Web about the possibility that men
occasionally pass their mitochondrial DNA to their children. You can find
a lot by going to http://www.google.com and searching for the term
"paternal mitochondrial DNA"

Here's a URL for one of the better-written articles:

http://www.naturejpn.com/newnature/bionews/bionews990317/bionewse-170399g.htm

But, apparently, studies of diseases passed through mtDNA show that
it's very rare for men to pass on their mtDNA, so this effect probably
won't be a problem for most our trees.

a.l. bell
kansas city, missouri


DNA Research #DNA Re: 1. MtDNA #dna

Al Bell <allbell@...>
 

On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 00:00:45 -0500 "DNA Testing, Ask the Experts digest"
<dna@lyris.jewishgen.org> writes:
Is there any way of finding a specific loci in the mtDNA that could
be matched with the paternal line.

I'm no geneticist, but I thought mitochondrial DNA came exclusively from
the mother, just like the Y chromosome comes exclusively >from the father.
If so, nothing in the MtDNA matches anything in the paternal line. If
not, then I'm just wrong.
There are a number of articles on the Web about the possibility that men
occasionally pass their mitochondrial DNA to their children. You can find
a lot by going to http://www.google.com and searching for the term
"paternal mitochondrial DNA"

Here's a URL for one of the better-written articles:

http://www.naturejpn.com/newnature/bionews/bionews990317/bionewse-170399g.htm

But, apparently, studies of diseases passed through mtDNA show that
it's very rare for men to pass on their mtDNA, so this effect probably
won't be a problem for most our trees.

a.l. bell
kansas city, missouri